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^eagle^
11-24-2008, 05:36 PM
Change the period MA to 21! I keep telling everyone that this is trend filter to FAP. Place the 100 MA on your chart and then place the 21 MA on and compare the two.

You will see that trad e directions will lag behind the trend on the 100 MA but the 21 MA quickly follows it. Its not fool proof but it does catch the majority of the trends.

My FAP has been buying like crazy today.

I also set the TP at 10 because it lowers my risk. Less time on the board means less risk.

My settings adjustments will be posted here



My live account settings : I am switching daily FAP to the four hour chart for my signals.

Chart=m1 (more trades than m5)
Common input=long and short(this input can change frequently depending upon market conditions)
Lots=0
LRR=1(1% risk per trade maximum 10% BUT this often hedges)
TP=10 (gets me off the board quickly to minimize risk)
Max orders=5 (usually no more than three open at any time usually hedged)
Stoptime=30(allows 30 bars to pass before FAP considers opening another trade while one is open)
aaa=20
bbb=8 (sticking with Earl's settings. Seen better results in forward testing)
period MA=21(this is the key. catches those reversals quickly. Does not lag)
End work time hours =23
end work time minutes=30
start worktime hours=5
start worktime minutes=0 (Very little action during this time span. Most floaters are opened here.)
Rest default (thinking about playing with the span gator but I am happy with what I got now)



I used to have to control the trade direction when my margin got all out of whack but I have never had more than three trades open at any one time and they usually hedge each other.

^eagle^
11-24-2008, 05:42 PM
since sunday

Account: xxxxxxxName: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2008 November 24, 23:33
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074513071 2008.11.24 22:47 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2907 0.0000 1.2897 2008.11.24 22:52 1.2897 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074511864 2008.11.24 22:11 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2894 0.0000 1.2904 2008.11.24 22:13 1.2904 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074509973 2008.11.24 21:04 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2891 0.0000 1.2901 2008.11.24 22:10 1.2901 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074508611 2008.11.24 20:05 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2886 0.0000 1.2876 2008.11.24 20:12 1.2876 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074504584 2008.11.24 18:34 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2849 0.0000 1.2859 2008.11.24 18:37 1.2859 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498019 2008.11.24 16:24 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2794 0.0000 1.2804 2008.11.24 17:01 1.2804 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498967 2008.11.24 16:55 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2788 0.0000 1.2798 2008.11.24 16:59 1.2798 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074495445 2008.11.24 15:28 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2783 0.0000 1.2793 2008.11.24 16:11 1.2793 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074489864 2008.11.24 13:12 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2677 0.0000 1.2687 2008.11.24 13:20 1.2687 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074482236 2008.11.24 08:26 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2668 0.0000 1.2678 2008.11.24 13:03 1.2678 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074487120 2008.11.24 11:39 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2619 0.0000 1.2629 2008.11.24 11:50 1.2629 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074303909 2008.11.20 16:55 buy 0.01 xagusd 9.15 0.00 9.96 2008.11.24 11:47 9.74 0.00 0.00 0.02 5.90
2074486644 2008.11.24 11:18 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2598 0.0000 1.2608 2008.11.24 11:26 1.2608 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074471394 2008.11.24 01:44 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2649 0.0000 1.2659 2008.11.24 08:18 1.2659 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074480859 2008.11.24 07:30 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2643 0.0000 1.2653 2008.11.24 08:18 1.2653 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074478981 2008.11.24 06:00 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2624 0.0000 1.2634 2008.11.24 06:32 1.2634 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074477690 2008.11.24 04:57 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2621 0.0000 1.2631 2008.11.24 06:32 1.2631 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074476058 2008.11.24 03:46 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2601 0.0000 1.2591 2008.11.24 04:22 1.2591 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074470485 2008.11.24 01:22 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2618 0.0000 1.2628 2008.11.24 01:24 1.2628 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074469707 2008.11.24 00:47 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2607 0.0000 1.2617 2008.11.24 01:03 1.2617 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074469260 2008.11.24 00:22 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2595 0.0000 1.2605 2008.11.24 00:42 1.2605 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00

Earl
11-24-2008, 05:56 PM
great job eagle...

I got killed today

2 trades open -718 bucks and counting...maybe even more now I just refuse to look:D

Earl
11-24-2008, 05:56 PM
I looked...ewwww

at least it turned around a little:D

bearzie
11-24-2008, 06:15 PM
Has anyone tried nutsing with the Safety gap demarker & Safety gap wpr(Williams % Rate)??.Would this has anything to do with the Internal stops??Just wondering what they mean by "Safety Gap"Also i noticed for the Type Ma_0_3=0 i think the 0= simple MA,where 1= expotential?

^eagle^
11-24-2008, 06:29 PM
Has anyone tried nutsing with the Safety gap demarker & Safety gap wpr(Williams % Rate)??.Would this has anything to do with the Internal stops??Just wondering what they mean by "Safety Gap"Also i noticed for the Type Ma_0_3=0 i think the 0= simple MA,where 1= expotential?
The safety Gap I believe is the distance between the two extremes on the WPR. This is pure peculation but I believe a setting of zero allows the EA to adjust this setting.

FAPs will only place a trade when the WPR is between the two extremes.

Place it on the chart and take a look at it. same thing with the demarker.

I am not touching those.

As for the type MA you are correct. I may consider switching to exponetial to give the current bars more weight.

Earl
11-24-2008, 06:37 PM
The safety Gap I believe is the distance between the two extremes on the WPR. This is pure peculation but I believe a setting of zero allows the EA to adjust this setting.

FAPs will only place a trade when the WPR is between the two extremes.

Place it on the chart and take a look at it. same thing with the demarker.

I am not touching those.

As for the type MA you are correct. I may consider switching to exponetial to give the current bars more weight.Eagle you have done it again!!!! your right on the money with MA21...

I would suggest everyone run at MA21....:D

JUANLO
11-24-2008, 07:32 PM
Today was ugly ..... real UGLY.... I just had to go ahead and get out ..LOL ... it was killing me...:eek::D

lorddave
11-24-2008, 07:50 PM
Hah, I came within about 40 pips of Margin Call!
Have switched to your settings Eagle, running 4 trades with 2% Risk now.... Just need my current trades to close out, only 400 pips to go!

Aussie
11-24-2008, 08:06 PM
Hi Eagle,

Grest Stuff & nice results and its nice of you to share your settings...

Just curious what time frame are you running?

Would you recommend running your settings on M5?

Keep you the good work you and Earl and Alan...

I think with you guys this site would in a disaster situation...:D

Aussie

JUANLO
11-24-2008, 08:07 PM
Change the period MA to 21! I keep telling everyone that this is trend filter to FAP. Place the 100 MA on your chart and then place the 21 MA on and compare the two.

You will see that trad e directions will lag behind the trend on the 100 MA but the 21 MA quickly follows it. Its not fool proof but it does catch the majority of the trends.

My FAP has been buying like crazy today.

I also set the TP at 10 because it lowers my risk. Less time on the board means less risk.

My settings

Lots=0
LRR=2 (2% risk per trade maximum 10% BUT this often hedges)
TP=10 (gets me off the board quickly to minimize risk)
Max orders=5 (usually no more than three open at any time usually hedged)
Stoptime=20(allows 20 bars to pass before FAP considers opening another trade while one is open)
aaa=20
bbb=8 (sticking with Earl's settings. Seen better results in forward testing)
period MA=21(this is the key. catches those reversals quickly. Does not lag)
Rest default (thinking about playing with the span gator but I am happy with what I got now)


I had LRR=1 but am so confident in these settings now I raised it to 2

I used to have to control the trade direction when my margin got all out of whack but I have never had more than three trades open at any one time and they usually hedge each other.


This is on a live account and I made quite a few pips on todays reversal.

EAGLE,

Are these settings the settings you constantly use or did you just use them today due to the market conditions..???

Aussie
11-24-2008, 08:07 PM
I suppose to say without you guys...:)

Joe
11-24-2008, 09:09 PM
Hi Eagle. Thanks so much for the settings. All the while, I've been searching for the solution to the price reversal. We are really thankful to you that by changing MA = 21 will help ease the price lag. Is the stoploss still necessary?

Earl
11-24-2008, 10:21 PM
21 work good! profit is a little less...but still good...

I had the wrong settings in todat aaa13 bbb14 oooppss forgot to take them out last week I guess...

just caught it...-400 pips toooooo late


aaa13 bbb14 suck

aaa20 bbb8 MA21 will rock the house in an uptrend like today

Joe
11-24-2008, 11:34 PM
What about setting the stoptime to 10?


Thanks.

torreseemee
11-25-2008, 01:53 AM
hermmm.. i need to try this....

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 03:56 AM
EAGLE,

Are these settings the settings you constantly use or did you just use them today due to the market conditions..???


I have been running this setting for about two weeks now.

I have no plans on changing them for market conditions

john225
11-25-2008, 03:57 AM
What for time frame?

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 03:57 AM
Hi Eagle. Thanks so much for the settings. All the while, I've been searching for the solution to the price reversal. We are really thankful to you that by changing MA = 21 will help ease the price lag. Is the stoploss still necessary?

I use no stop loss but If you wANt one I suggest >400

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 03:59 AM
What about setting the stoptime to 10?


Thanks.


10 allows trades to open too fast. If the trend starts reversing whips back and reverses again FAP may place two bad trades. 20 is the minimum I would go. Less risk if you go higher.

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:01 AM
What for time frame?

I use m1. Trades faster than m5. Not sure how these settings would fare on m5. Give it a whirl on demo and backtest.

JUANLO
11-25-2008, 07:31 AM
I have been running this setting for about two weeks now.

I have no plans on changing them for market conditions

Eagle just posting this for verification is this correct..???

Juan

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 0.2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 20.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 08:38 AM
Eagle just posting this for verification is this correct..???

Juan

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 0.2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 20.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

If you want my exact settings then change the LRR=2 not 0.2
Change Take profit to=10

Everything else is my current settings


If you have a large account you may want to consider raising max lots but You only need to do that when FAP starts trading above 1 lot.

If you are trading <1lot that setting is fine.

JUANLO
11-25-2008, 08:44 AM
Thanks Eagle .... I'm going to try these out .... I'm fairly new to this auto trading stuff and just trying to find my niche'

bert
11-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Hey eagle

You are awesome! changed the settings and it really turned better. It now buys on the uptrend. Have u seen this setting buy on a downtrend??

It seems to. Hopefully it'll rally up again. :)

bert
11-25-2008, 10:43 AM
Hi eagle

wat does the LRR=2 represent? Can i leave it at 1 first?

Also for Lots to be 0.0 - does it mean fap will determine the lot size? Will it trade big lots like 1 for small accounts - then it may wipe out the account fast... Or is it intelligent enuf to limit the trade size according to the deposit??

popeone
11-25-2008, 01:34 PM
Eagle just posting this for verification is this correct..???

Juan

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 0.2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 20.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

quick question, if I am trading on the metatrader 4 platform wouldn't i need to change the slip page to 30 as directed in the defaults? was just curious..

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 03:34 PM
quick question, if I am trading on the metatrader 4 platform wouldn't i need to change the slip page to 30 as directed in the defaults? was just curious..

Only if your broker uses five digits do you have to worry about adding zeros to inpout values.

Example 1.30001 instead of 1.3001

The first is a five digit broker the second is a four digit. It has nothing to do with the platform. The MT4 platform is just table. The broker is the dealer and you are the player.

Blackjack muthaF$%%$^!!!!!!

popeone
11-25-2008, 04:18 PM
Only if your broker uses five digits do you have to worry about adding zeros to inpout values.

Example 1.30001 instead of 1.3001

The first is a five digit broker the second is a four digit. It has nothing to do with the platform. The MT4 platform is just table. The broker is the dealer and you are the player.

Blackjack muthaF$%%$^!!!!!!

Nice 1, what broker do you prefer? I am trading with Forex.com as of now, they seem to be on top of things..

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:29 PM
I use FXDD which has been good but I am considering IBFX. They have a lot more to offer than FXDD.

So I can only speak for FXDD. Great execution but I wish they had better wire service to access my profits.

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:36 PM
Monday and today......

Account: XXXXXXXName: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2008 November 26, 00:24
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074547204 2008.11.25 16:24 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3062 0.0000 1.3072 2008.11.25 22:36 1.3072 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074566212 2008.11.25 22:11 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3040 0.0000 1.3050 2008.11.25 22:14 1.3050 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074551195 2008.11.25 17:12 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3045 0.0000 1.3055 2008.11.25 22:05 1.3055 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074556521 2008.11.25 19:03 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3039 0.0000 1.3049 2008.11.25 20:37 1.3049 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074559736 2008.11.25 20:26 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3022 0.0000 1.3032 2008.11.25 20:27 1.3032 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074555671 2008.11.25 18:41 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3001 0.0000 1.3008 2008.11.25 18:43 1.3008 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.40
2074538005 2008.11.25 14:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2879 0.0000 1.2889 2008.11.25 15:32 1.2889 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074531466 2008.11.25 09:54 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2874 0.0000 1.2864 2008.11.25 10:55 1.2864 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074531935 2008.11.25 10:15 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2882 0.0000 1.2892 2008.11.25 10:22 1.2892 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074523067 2008.11.25 04:06 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2877 0.0000 1.2887 2008.11.25 04:15 1.2887 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074487175 2008.11.24 11:44 buy 0.10 xagusd 9.83 0.00 12.01 2008.11.25 02:42 10.41 0.00 0.00 0.11 58.00
2074513857 2008.11.24 23:30 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2910 0.0000 1.2900 2008.11.25 02:10 1.2900 0.00 0.00 -1.00 13.00
2074513071 2008.11.24 22:47 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2907 0.0000 1.2897 2008.11.24 22:52 1.2897 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074511864 2008.11.24 22:11 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2894 0.0000 1.2904 2008.11.24 22:13 1.2904 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074509973 2008.11.24 21:04 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2891 0.0000 1.2901 2008.11.24 22:10 1.2901 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074508611 2008.11.24 20:05 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2886 0.0000 1.2876 2008.11.24 20:12 1.2876 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074504584 2008.11.24 18:34 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2849 0.0000 1.2859 2008.11.24 18:37 1.2859 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498019 2008.11.24 16:24 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2794 0.0000 1.2804 2008.11.24 17:01 1.2804 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498967 2008.11.24 16:55 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2788 0.0000 1.2798 2008.11.24 16:59 1.2798 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
0.00 0.00 -0.89 280.40
Closed P/L: 279.51
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074432273 2008.11.21 03:06 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2435 0.0000 1.2425 1.3061 0.00 0.00 -1.47 -375.60
0.00 0.00 -1.47 -375.60
Floating P/L: -377.07
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 279.51 Floating P/L: -377.07 Margin: 37.31
Balance: 4 692.37 Equity: 4 315.30 Free Margin: 4 278.00

Got that one floater in there. Not a perfect system but Its working. Looking to pull out my second 1000 usd profit by the weekend.

That's 2000usd profit in four weeks.
50%return
:)
but lets not count chickens before they are hatched.

popeone
11-25-2008, 04:37 PM
I was looking into IBFX as well, thanks for your opinion..

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:52 PM
And if yoiu are still in doubt this is from inception. Notice the progression of lotsize as I gained more confidence in the settings. Also pay attention to trade direction.

Account: ewwwww Name: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2008 November 26, 00:43
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2073986979 2008.11.10 16:58 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2813 0.0000 1.2803 2008.11.10 17:04 1.2803 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073989554 2008.11.10 18:03 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2805 0.0000 1.2795 2008.11.10 18:13 1.2795 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073994454 2008.11.10 19:34 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2778 0.0000 1.2768 2008.11.10 19:36 1.2768 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073994453 2008.11.10 19:34 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2777 0.0000 1.2767 2008.11.10 19:38 1.2767 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073994452 2008.11.10 19:34 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2776 0.0000 1.2766 2008.11.10 19:38 1.2766 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073994352 2008.11.10 19:30 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2771 0.0000 1.2761 2008.11.10 19:38 1.2761 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073995037 2008.11.10 19:45 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2768 0.0000 1.2758 2008.11.10 20:04 1.2758 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073995142 2008.11.10 19:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2767 0.0000 1.2757 2008.11.10 20:04 1.2757 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073995138 2008.11.10 19:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2766 0.0000 1.2756 2008.11.10 20:04 1.2756 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073995125 2008.11.10 19:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2763 0.0000 1.2753 2008.11.10 20:21 1.2753 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073996527 2008.11.10 20:45 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2768 0.0000 1.2758 2008.11.10 21:48 1.2758 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073996601 2008.11.10 20:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2767 0.0000 1.2757 2008.11.10 21:50 1.2757 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073996605 2008.11.10 20:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2766 0.0000 1.2756 2008.11.10 21:50 1.2756 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073996609 2008.11.10 20:47 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2765 0.0000 1.2755 2008.11.10 21:50 1.2755 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073998480 2008.11.10 22:10 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2758 0.0000 1.2768 2008.11.10 22:12 1.2768 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074000429 2008.11.10 23:27 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2736 0.0000 1.2746 2008.11.10 23:30 1.2746 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074002646 2008.11.11 01:49 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2746 0.0000 1.2736 2008.11.11 02:18 1.2736 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074002776 2008.11.11 02:00 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2744 0.0000 1.2734 2008.11.11 02:18 1.2734 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074003474 2008.11.11 02:31 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2732 0.0000 1.2722 2008.11.11 02:32 1.2722 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073999417 2008.11.10 22:46 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2723 0.0000 1.2713 2008.11.11 02:39 1.2713 0.00 0.00 -0.22 2.00
2074004103 2008.11.11 02:49 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2701 0.0000 1.2691 2008.11.11 03:29 1.2691 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074004581 2008.11.11 03:00 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2700 0.0000 1.2690 2008.11.11 03:30 1.2690 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074005491 2008.11.11 03:35 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2698 0.0000 1.2708 2008.11.11 04:18 1.2708 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074004984 2008.11.11 03:18 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2706 0.0000 1.2716 2008.11.11 04:26 1.2716 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074011110 2008.11.11 06:50 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2743 0.0000 1.2733 2008.11.11 06:55 1.2733 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074011437 2008.11.11 07:00 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2737 0.0000 1.2727 2008.11.11 07:02 1.2727 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074011962 2008.11.11 07:17 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2726 0.0000 1.2716 2008.11.11 07:39 1.2716 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073998056 2008.11.10 21:53 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2763 0.0000 1.2773 2008.11.11 11:04 1.2773 0.00 0.00 0.16 2.00
2074012411 2008.11.11 07:44 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2716 0.0000 1.2706 2008.11.11 14:27 1.2706 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074014245 2008.11.11 09:12 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2716 0.0000 1.2706 2008.11.11 14:27 1.2706 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074006084 2008.11.11 03:51 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2679 0.0000 1.2669 2008.11.11 16:47 1.2669 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2073924490 2008.11.07 03:06 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2664 1.3067 1.2644 2008.11.11 16:59 1.2644 0.00 0.00 -0.46 4.00
2073925297 2008.11.07 03:27 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2659 1.3062 1.2639 2008.11.11 16:59 1.2639 0.00 0.00 -0.46 4.00
2073771969 2008.11.04 08:46 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2606 0.0000 1.2576 2008.11.11 17:48 1.2576 0.00 0.00 -1.67 6.00
2073771678 2008.11.04 08:31 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2601 0.0000 1.2574 2008.11.11 17:48 1.2574 0.00 0.00 -1.67 5.40
2073772171 2008.11.04 08:59 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2598 0.0000 1.2568 2008.11.11 17:56 1.2568 0.00 0.00 -1.67 6.00
2073770403 2008.11.04 07:50 sell 0.02 eurusd 1.2588 0.0000 1.2558 2008.11.11 17:57 1.2558 0.00 0.00 -1.67 6.00
2074037525 2008.11.11 19:32 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2552 0.0000 1.2562 2008.11.11 19:33 1.2562 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074039782 2008.11.11 20:48 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2529 0.0000 1.2539 2008.11.11 20:52 1.2539 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074037580 2008.11.11 19:33 buy 0.02 eurusd 1.2564 0.0000 1.2574 2008.11.11 21:20 1.2574 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00
2074042284 2008.11.11 21:50 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2546 0.0000 1.2536 2008.11.11 21:54 1.2536 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074042676 2008.11.11 21:55 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2545 0.0000 1.2535 2008.11.11 21:59 1.2535 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074043033 2008.11.11 22:09 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2537 0.0000 1.2527 2008.11.11 22:33 1.2527 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074043512 2008.11.11 22:38 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2524 0.0000 1.2514 2008.11.12 00:03 1.2514 0.00 0.00 -0.75 7.00
2074044292 2008.11.11 23:26 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2518 0.0000 1.2508 2008.11.12 00:07 1.2508 0.00 0.00 -0.75 7.00
2074045773 2008.11.12 00:43 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2507 0.0000 1.2497 2008.11.12 01:44 1.2497 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074045307 2008.11.12 00:16 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2507 0.0000 1.2497 2008.11.12 01:44 1.2497 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074046219 2008.11.12 01:10 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2510 0.0000 1.2520 2008.11.12 02:01 1.2520 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074064617 2008.11.12 12:18 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2527 0.0000 1.2517 2008.11.12 13:03 1.2517 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074065904 2008.11.12 12:52 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2523 0.0000 1.2513 2008.11.12 13:04 1.2513 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074067009 2008.11.12 13:17 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2516 0.0000 1.2506 2008.11.12 14:59 1.2506 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074071653 2008.11.12 15:09 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2521 0.0000 1.2511 2008.11.12 16:03 1.2511 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074066789 2008.11.12 13:11 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2511 0.0000 1.2501 2008.11.12 16:04 1.2501 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074077578 2008.11.12 17:06 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2507 0.0000 1.2497 2008.11.12 17:07 1.2497 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074080251 2008.11.12 17:42 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2497 0.0000 1.2487 2008.11.12 17:49 1.2487 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074075084 2008.11.12 16:15 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2493 0.0000 1.2483 2008.11.12 17:49 1.2483 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074047689 2008.11.12 01:51 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2482 0.0000 1.2472 2008.11.12 18:09 1.2472 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074090241 2008.11.12 19:56 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2538 0.0000 1.2528 2008.11.12 20:34 1.2528 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074092200 2008.11.12 21:02 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2542 0.0000 1.2532 2008.11.12 21:06 1.2532 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074089131 2008.11.12 19:26 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2532 0.0000 1.2522 2008.11.12 21:07 1.2522 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074088815 2008.11.12 19:19 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2527 0.0000 1.2517 2008.11.12 21:10 1.2517 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074092917 2008.11.12 21:18 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2511 0.0000 1.2501 2008.11.12 22:27 1.2501 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074093753 2008.11.12 21:43 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2509 0.0000 1.2499 2008.11.12 22:27 1.2499 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074096005 2008.11.12 22:47 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2492 0.0000 1.2482 2008.11.12 22:58 1.2482 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074096274 2008.11.12 23:01 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2482 0.0000 1.2492 2008.11.12 23:27 1.2492 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074096468 2008.11.12 23:07 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2478 0.0000 1.2468 2008.11.13 00:08 1.2468 0.00 0.00 -2.25 7.00
2074099761 2008.11.13 00:26 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2455 0.0000 1.2445 2008.11.13 00:50 1.2445 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074099668 2008.11.13 00:21 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2454 0.0000 1.2444 2008.11.13 00:50 1.2444 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074101490 2008.11.13 01:10 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2454 0.0000 1.2461 2008.11.13 01:13 1.2461 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.90
2074104789 2008.11.13 02:30 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2471 0.0000 1.2461 2008.11.13 02:54 1.2461 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074104148 2008.11.13 02:05 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2464 0.0000 1.2454 2008.11.13 02:59 1.2454 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074106619 2008.11.13 03:22 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2466 0.0000 1.2476 2008.11.13 03:33 1.2476 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074108332 2008.11.13 05:06 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2466 0.0000 1.2456 2008.11.13 06:15 1.2456 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074110008 2008.11.13 06:13 sell 0.07

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:53 PM
eurusd 1.2464 0.0000 1.2454 2008.11.13 06:37 1.2454 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074110510 2008.11.13 06:21 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2464 0.0000 1.2454 2008.11.13 06:37 1.2454 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074111383 2008.11.13 06:57 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2458 0.0000 1.2468 2008.11.13 07:22 1.2468 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074111279 2008.11.13 06:50 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2459 0.0000 1.2469 2008.11.13 07:28 1.2469 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074110707 2008.11.13 06:29 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2463 0.0000 1.2473 2008.11.13 07:29 1.2473 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074113329 2008.11.13 08:12 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2477 0.0000 1.2487 2008.11.13 08:30 1.2487 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074113050 2008.11.13 08:06 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2478 0.0000 1.2488 2008.11.13 08:39 1.2488 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074115730 2008.11.13 09:06 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2463 0.0000 1.2453 2008.11.13 09:13 1.2453 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074105700 2008.11.13 03:02 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2455 0.0000 1.2445 2008.11.13 09:18 1.2445 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074093409 2008.11.12 21:33 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2524 0.0000 1.2534 2008.11.13 11:16 1.2534 0.00 0.00 1.63 7.00
2074123849 2008.11.13 11:43 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2509 0.0000 1.2499 2008.11.13 11:49 1.2499 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074130889 2008.11.13 15:02 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2519 0.0000 1.2509 2008.11.13 15:06 1.2509 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074131589 2008.11.13 15:23 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2524 0.0000 1.2534 2008.11.13 15:34 1.2534 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074131255 2008.11.13 15:12 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2514 0.0000 1.2504 2008.11.13 15:55 1.2504 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074134407 2008.11.13 16:15 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2517 0.0000 1.2527 2008.11.13 16:30 1.2527 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074141755 2008.11.13 18:13 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2531 0.0000 1.2521 2008.11.13 18:20 1.2521 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074142689 2008.11.13 18:27 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2539 0.0000 1.2529 2008.11.13 18:43 1.2529 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074143750 2008.11.13 18:50 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2523 0.0000 1.2513 2008.11.13 18:54 1.2513 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074144119 2008.11.13 18:59 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2518 0.0000 1.2508 2008.11.13 19:12 1.2508 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074134189 2008.11.13 16:10 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2501 0.0000 1.2491 2008.11.13 19:33 1.2491 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074145493 2008.11.13 19:22 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2498 0.0000 1.2488 2008.11.13 19:33 1.2488 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074126503 2008.11.13 13:15 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2493 0.0000 1.2483 2008.11.13 19:48 1.2483 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074133749 2008.11.13 16:03 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2491 0.0000 1.2481 2008.11.13 19:48 1.2481 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074147470 2008.11.13 19:57 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2472 0.0000 1.2462 2008.11.13 19:58 1.2462 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074125189 2008.11.13 12:25 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2471 0.0000 1.2461 2008.11.13 19:58 1.2461 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074165170 2008.11.13 23:25 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2796 0.0000 1.2786 2008.11.13 23:26 1.2786 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074166175 2008.11.13 23:42 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2774 0.0000 1.2764 2008.11.14 00:00 1.2764 0.00 0.00 -0.76 7.00
2074167020 2008.11.14 00:07 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2765 0.0000 1.2755 2008.11.14 00:24 1.2755 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074168947 2008.11.14 01:11 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2778 0.0000 1.2768 2008.11.14 02:29 1.2768 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074167750 2008.11.14 00:31 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2742 0.0000 1.2732 2008.11.14 03:04 1.2732 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074173787 2008.11.14 03:40 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2744 0.0000 1.2734 2008.11.14 06:22 1.2734 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074174038 2008.11.14 03:53 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2742 0.0000 1.2732 2008.11.14 06:22 1.2732 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074174398 2008.11.14 04:05 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2742 0.0000 1.2732 2008.11.14 06:22 1.2732 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074172983 2008.11.14 03:04 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2738 0.0000 1.2728 2008.11.14 06:22 1.2728 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074176858 2008.11.14 06:27 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2729 0.0000 1.2719 2008.11.14 06:39 1.2719 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074177189 2008.11.14 06:37 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2729 0.0000 1.2719 2008.11.14 06:39 1.2719 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074177706 2008.11.14 07:01 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2731 0.0000 1.2741 2008.11.14 07:04 1.2741 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074178195 2008.11.14 07:51 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2729 0.0000 1.2719 2008.11.14 08:14 1.2719 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074177518 2008.11.14 06:50 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2722 0.0000 1.2712 2008.11.14 08:15 1.2712 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074182299 2008.11.14 09:37 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2742 0.0000 1.2732 2008.11.14 09:42 1.2732 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074182615 2008.11.14 09:48 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2736 0.0000 1.2726 2008.11.14 09:51 1.2726 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074182918 2008.11.14 09:59 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2720 0.0000 1.2710 2008.11.14 09:59 1.2710 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074179688 2008.11.14 08:23 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2717 0.0000 1.2707 2008.11.14 10:01 1.2707 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074183808 2008.11.14 10:09 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2706 0.0000 1.2696 2008.11.14 10:15 1.2696 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074185412 2008.11.14 11:10 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2693 0.0000 1.2683 2008.11.14 11:11 1.2683 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074186048 2008.11.14 11:22 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2679 0.0000 1.2669 2008.11.14 11:26 1.2669 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074186436 2008.11.14 11:37 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2679 0.0000 1.2669 2008.11.14 11:53 1.2669 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074187810 2008.11.14 13:13 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2695 0.0000 1.2685 2008.11.14 13:18 1.2685 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074188239 2008.11.14 13:39 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2688 0.0000 1.2698 2008.11.14 13:53 1.2698 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074190126 2008.11.14 14:32 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2686 0.0000 1.2676 2008.11.14 15:12 1.2676 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074191662 2008.11.14 15:17 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2678 0.0000 1.2668 2008.11.14 15:19 1.2668 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074186660 2008.11.14 11:58 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2676 0.0000 1.2666 2008.11.14 15:19 1.2666 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074192541 2008.11.14 15:26 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2648 0.0000 1.2638 2008.11.14 15:28 1.2638 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074195223 2008.11.14 16:26 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2667 0.0000 1.2677 2008.11.14 16:32 1.2677 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074198111 2008.11.14 17:20 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2684 0.0000 1.2674 2008.11.14 17:24 1.2674 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074198353 2008.11.14 17:26 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2679 0.0000 1.2669 2008.11.14 17:30 1.2669 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074198794 2008.11.14 17:38 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2669 0.0000 1.2659 2008.11.14 17:38 1.2659 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074199080 2008.11.14 17:44 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2661 0.0000 1.2651 2008.11.14 17:45 1.2651 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074194927 2008.11.14 16:16 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2656 0.0000 1.2646 2008.11.14 17:45 1.2646 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074203783 2008.11.14 20:14 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2706 0.0000 1.2696 2008.11.14 22:58 1.2696 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074193041 2008.11.14 15:32 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2626 0.0000 1.2616 2008.11.17 00:01 1.2616 0.00 0.00 -0.76 7.00
2074202263 2008.11.14 19:16 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2677 0.0000 1.2667 2008.11.17 00:01 1.2536 0.00 0.00 -0.76 98.70
2074199374 2008.11.14 17:52 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2660 0.0000 1.2650 2008.11.17 00:02 1.2536 0.00 0.00 -0.76 86.80
2074211818 2008.11.17 01:04 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2543 0.0000 1.2533 2008.11.17 01:36 1.2533 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.00
2074212944 2008.11.17 01:35 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2539 0.0000 1.2529 2008.11.17 01:36 1.2529 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.00
2074213507 2008.11.17 01:48 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2527 0.0000 1.2517 2008.11.17 01:57 1.2517 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.00
2074221766 2008.11.17 06:35 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2578 0.0000 1.2568 2008.11.17 06:44 1.2568 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074222389 2008.11.17 07:11 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2565 0.0000 1.2575 2008.11.17 07:13 1.2575 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074222132 2008.11.17 06:55 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2560 0.0000 1.2550 2008.11.17 08:36 1.2550 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074223386 2008.11.17 07:42 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.2576 0.0000 1.2586 2008.11.17 09:03 1.2586 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2074249344 2008.11.17 20:39 balance bps redemption ~ ML -1 000.00
2074258810 2008.11.18 02:33 sell 0.03 audnzd 1.1722 1.1733 1.1623 2008.11.18 02:34 1.1734 0.00 0.00 0.00 -1.98
2074258816 2008.11.18 02:34 sell 0.05 audusd 0.6448 0.6458 0.6348 2008.11.18 02:39 0.6458 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5.00
2074258814 2008.11.18 02:25 buy stop 0.05 audusd 0.6528 0.6518 0.6628 2008.11.18 02:40 0.6462 cancelled
2074258808 2008.11.18 02:25 buy stop 0.03 audnzd 1.1803 1.1793 1.1903 2008.11.18 02:45 1.1736 cancelled
2074260324 2008.11.18 03:03 sell stop 0.05 eurusd 1.2599 0.0000 1.2590 2008.11.18 03:05 1.2606 cancelled
2074262187 2008.11.18 04:35 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2623 0.0000 1.2613 2008.11.18 05:42 1.2613 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074263792 2008.11.18 07:02 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2616 0.0000 1.2606 2008.11.18 08:07 1.2606 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:55 PM
2074263087 2008.11.18 05:54 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2611 0.0000 1.2601 2008.11.18 08:09 1.2601 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074273436 2008.11.18 10:36 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2610 0.0000 1.2602 2008.11.18 10:40 1.2602 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.00
2074266515 2008.11.18 08:26 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2587 0.0000 1.2577 2008.11.18 10:56 1.2577 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074285939 2008.11.18 16:10 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2633 0.0000 1.2623 2008.11.18 17:36 1.2623 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074289201 2008.11.18 17:44 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2633 0.0000 1.2623 2008.11.18 20:15 1.2623 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074294433 2008.11.18 20:21 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2619 0.0000 1.2609 2008.11.18 20:28 1.2609 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074276378 2008.11.18 11:51 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2585 0.0000 1.2575 2008.11.18 21:46 1.2575 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074298498 2008.11.18 22:08 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2586 0.0000 1.2596 2008.11.18 22:09 1.2596 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074302121 2008.11.19 00:10 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2622 0.0000 1.2632 2008.11.19 00:18 1.2632 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074303450 2008.11.19 01:16 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2629 0.0000 1.2619 2008.11.19 02:49 1.2619 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074304521 2008.11.19 02:43 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2624 0.0000 1.2614 2008.11.19 03:09 1.2614 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074306508 2008.11.19 04:29 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2621 0.0000 1.2631 2008.11.19 06:12 1.2631 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074308526 2008.11.19 06:35 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2615 0.0000 1.2605 2008.11.19 11:00 1.2605 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074307358 2008.11.19 05:31 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2611 0.0000 1.2601 2008.11.19 11:00 1.2601 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074333382 2008.11.19 15:11 sell 0.05 eurusd 1.2632 0.0000 1.2622 2008.11.19 15:50 1.2622 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074250858 2008.11.17 21:44 buy 0.05 eurusd 1.2713 0.0000 1.2723 2008.11.19 16:13 1.2723 0.00 0.00 0.50 5.00
2074214461 2008.11.17 02:14 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2516 0.0000 1.2506 2008.11.19 16:31 1.2756 0.00 0.00 -1.45 -192.00
2074148110 2008.11.13 20:04 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2464 0.0000 1.2454 2008.11.19 16:31 1.2753 0.00 0.00 -2.79 -202.30
2074331766 2008.11.19 13:31 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2619 0.0000 1.2609 2008.11.19 18:24 1.2609 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074353351 2008.11.19 20:25 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2578 0.0000 1.2568 2008.11.19 20:27 1.2568 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074357972 2008.11.19 21:26 buy 0.05 eurusd 1.2575 0.0000 1.2585 2008.11.19 21:26 1.2585 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
2074354961 2008.11.19 20:41 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2569 0.0000 1.2559 2008.11.19 21:35 1.2559 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074354506 2008.11.19 20:36 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2564 0.0000 1.2554 2008.11.19 21:36 1.2554 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074224530 2008.11.17 08:48 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2555 0.0000 1.2545 2008.11.19 22:22 1.2545 0.00 0.00 -1.45 8.00
2074219560 2008.11.17 05:05 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2538 0.0000 1.2528 2008.11.19 22:41 1.2528 0.00 0.00 -1.45 8.00
2074363128 2008.11.19 23:16 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2520 0.0000 1.2510 2008.11.19 23:42 1.2510 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074363863 2008.11.19 23:52 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2498 0.0000 1.2488 2008.11.19 23:52 1.2488 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074366572 2008.11.20 01:14 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2493 0.0000 1.2483 2008.11.20 01:33 1.2483 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074367176 2008.11.20 01:42 sell 0.01 eurusd 1.2491 0.0000 0.0000 2008.11.20 01:44 1.2488 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.30
2074370413 2008.11.20 05:04 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2511 0.0000 1.2501 2008.11.20 06:15 1.2501 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074370756 2008.11.20 05:27 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2504 0.0000 1.2494 2008.11.20 06:16 1.2494 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074367171 2008.11.20 01:42 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2491 0.0000 1.2481 2008.11.20 06:26 1.2481 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074372292 2008.11.20 06:34 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2488 0.0000 1.2478 2008.11.20 06:54 1.2478 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074375616 2008.11.20 08:13 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2492 0.0000 1.2482 2008.11.20 08:23 1.2482 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074373845 2008.11.20 07:45 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2491 0.0000 1.2481 2008.11.20 08:23 1.2481 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074370145 2008.11.20 04:43 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2514 0.0000 1.2524 2008.11.20 09:37 1.2524 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074381014 2008.11.20 10:10 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2507 0.0000 1.2497 2008.11.20 10:14 1.2497 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074362698 2008.11.19 23:01 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2532 0.0000 1.2540 2008.11.20 11:24 1.2540 0.00 0.00 0.90 4.80
2074385052 2008.11.20 13:24 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2525 0.0000 1.2535 2008.11.20 13:56 1.2535 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074388094 2008.11.20 15:10 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2543 0.0000 1.2533 2008.11.20 15:27 1.2533 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074385301 2008.11.20 13:46 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2520 0.0000 1.2510 2008.11.20 15:31 1.2510 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074384287 2008.11.20 12:39 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2509 0.0000 1.2499 2008.11.20 15:32 1.2499 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074381781 2008.11.20 10:39 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2500 0.0000 1.2490 2008.11.20 15:33 1.2490 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074389603 2008.11.20 15:38 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2500 0.0000 1.2490 2008.11.20 17:05 1.2490 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074402327 2008.11.20 19:12 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2520 0.0000 1.2530 2008.11.20 19:14 1.2530 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074406767 2008.11.20 20:25 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2543 0.0000 1.2533 2008.11.20 20:29 1.2533 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074401162 2008.11.20 18:41 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2517 0.0000 1.2507 2008.11.20 21:18 1.2507 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074411432 2008.11.20 21:18 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2512 0.0000 1.2502 2008.11.20 22:09 1.2502 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074417080 2008.11.20 22:15 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2511 0.0000 1.2501 2008.11.20 22:36 1.2501 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074420145 2008.11.20 22:44 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2498 0.0000 1.2488 2008.11.20 22:50 1.2488 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074396697 2008.11.20 17:17 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2496 0.0000 1.2486 2008.11.20 22:51 1.2486 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074372906 2008.11.20 06:58 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2481 0.0000 1.2471 2008.11.20 22:53 1.2471 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074427769 2008.11.21 00:55 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2454 0.0000 1.2444 2008.11.21 01:43 1.2444 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074429273 2008.11.21 01:40 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2448 0.0000 1.2440 2008.11.21 01:43 1.2440 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.80
2074434031 2008.11.21 05:19 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2460 0.0000 1.2470 2008.11.21 06:03 1.2470 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074422318 2008.11.20 23:00 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2486 0.0000 1.2496 2008.11.21 06:22 1.2496 0.00 0.00 0.30 6.00
2074436793 2008.11.21 07:18 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2493 0.0000 1.2503 2008.11.21 07:40 1.2503 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074446941 2008.11.21 14:02 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2573 0.0000 1.2563 2008.11.21 14:33 1.2563 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074454354 2008.11.21 17:31 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2551 0.0000 1.2541 2008.11.21 17:57 1.2541 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074461293 2008.11.21 19:55 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2555 0.0000 1.2545 2008.11.21 19:59 1.2545 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074459442 2008.11.21 18:53 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2518 0.0000 1.2508 2008.11.21 21:35 1.2508 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074465293 2008.11.21 21:52 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2508 0.0000 1.2518 2008.11.21 21:55 1.2518 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 04:55 PM
2074469260 2008.11.24 00:22 buy 0.06 eurusd 1.2595 0.0000 1.2605 2008.11.24 00:42 1.2605 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2074469707 2008.11.24 00:47 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2607 0.0000 1.2617 2008.11.24 01:03 1.2617 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074470485 2008.11.24 01:22 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2618 0.0000 1.2628 2008.11.24 01:24 1.2628 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074476058 2008.11.24 03:46 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2601 0.0000 1.2591 2008.11.24 04:22 1.2591 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074477690 2008.11.24 04:57 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2621 0.0000 1.2631 2008.11.24 06:32 1.2631 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074478981 2008.11.24 06:00 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2624 0.0000 1.2634 2008.11.24 06:32 1.2634 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074480859 2008.11.24 07:30 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2643 0.0000 1.2653 2008.11.24 08:18 1.2653 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074471394 2008.11.24 01:44 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2649 0.0000 1.2659 2008.11.24 08:18 1.2659 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074486644 2008.11.24 11:18 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2598 0.0000 1.2608 2008.11.24 11:26 1.2608 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074303909 2008.11.20 16:55 buy 0.01 xagusd 9.15 0.00 9.96 2008.11.24 11:47 9.74 0.00 0.00 0.02 5.90
2074487120 2008.11.24 11:39 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2619 0.0000 1.2629 2008.11.24 11:50 1.2629 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074482236 2008.11.24 08:26 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2668 0.0000 1.2678 2008.11.24 13:03 1.2678 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074489864 2008.11.24 13:12 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2677 0.0000 1.2687 2008.11.24 13:20 1.2687 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074495445 2008.11.24 15:28 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2783 0.0000 1.2793 2008.11.24 16:11 1.2793 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498967 2008.11.24 16:55 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2788 0.0000 1.2798 2008.11.24 16:59 1.2798 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074498019 2008.11.24 16:24 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2794 0.0000 1.2804 2008.11.24 17:01 1.2804 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074504584 2008.11.24 18:34 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2849 0.0000 1.2859 2008.11.24 18:37 1.2859 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074508611 2008.11.24 20:05 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2886 0.0000 1.2876 2008.11.24 20:12 1.2876 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074509973 2008.11.24 21:04 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2891 0.0000 1.2901 2008.11.24 22:10 1.2901 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074511864 2008.11.24 22:11 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2894 0.0000 1.2904 2008.11.24 22:13 1.2904 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074513071 2008.11.24 22:47 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2907 0.0000 1.2897 2008.11.24 22:52 1.2897 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074513857 2008.11.24 23:30 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2910 0.0000 1.2900 2008.11.25 02:10 1.2900 0.00 0.00 -1.00 13.00
2074487175 2008.11.24 11:44 buy 0.10 xagusd 9.83 0.00 12.01 2008.11.25 02:42 10.41 0.00 0.00 0.11 58.00
2074523067 2008.11.25 04:06 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2877 0.0000 1.2887 2008.11.25 04:15 1.2887 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074531935 2008.11.25 10:15 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2882 0.0000 1.2892 2008.11.25 10:22 1.2892 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074531466 2008.11.25 09:54 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2874 0.0000 1.2864 2008.11.25 10:55 1.2864 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074538005 2008.11.25 14:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2879 0.0000 1.2889 2008.11.25 15:32 1.2889 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074555671 2008.11.25 18:41 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3001 0.0000 1.3008 2008.11.25 18:43 1.3008 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.40
2074559736 2008.11.25 20:26 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3022 0.0000 1.3032 2008.11.25 20:27 1.3032 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074556521 2008.11.25 19:03 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3039 0.0000 1.3049 2008.11.25 20:37 1.3049 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074551195 2008.11.25 17:12 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3045 0.0000 1.3055 2008.11.25 22:05 1.3055 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074566212 2008.11.25 22:11 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3040 0.0000 1.3050 2008.11.25 22:14 1.3050 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074547204 2008.11.25 16:24 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.3062 0.0000 1.3072 2008.11.25 22:36 1.3072 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
0.00 0.00 -19.13 1 395.72
Closed P/L: 1 376.59
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074432273 2008.11.21 03:06 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2435 0.0000 1.2425 1.3048 0.00 0.00 -1.47 -367.80
0.00 0.00 -1.47 -367.80
Floating P/L: -369.27
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: -1 000.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 1 376.59 Floating P/L: -369.27 Margin: 37.31
Balance: 4 692.37 Equity: 4 323.10 Free Margin: 4 285.79

popeone
11-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Very Impressive EAGLE! Thanks for posting that up! As far as the lot size, normally you would let FAPS decide this but from looking at your data it looks like you manually adjusted this setting once you feel more comfortable?

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 05:20 PM
Hi eagle

wat does the LRR=2 represent? Can i leave it at 1 first?

Also for Lots to be 0.0 - does it mean fap will determine the lot size? Will it trade big lots like 1 for small accounts - then it may wipe out the account fast... Or is it intelligent enuf to limit the trade size according to the deposit??

Lotriskreductor=2

This allows FAP to open trades at 2% of your free margin for each trade.
Lots size MUST be set to zero for this to work.
If you set LRR=1 then you will put 1% of your free margin on the table for each trade.

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 05:23 PM
Very Impressive EAGLE! Thanks for posting that up! As far as the lot size, normally you would let FAPS decide this but from looking at your data it looks like you manually adjusted this setting once you feel more comfortable?


Thats correct. this shows the progression of my forward test. The only things I changed during this time period are TP down to 10 and the lot size. everything else stayed the same.

edit: actually I did play with the stop time after that 400usd loss around the middle of the report. That loss was two trades I manually closed which would have gone inot profit the next day. Thats when I began to raise stop time.

popeone
11-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Only if your broker uses five digits do you have to worry about adding zeros to inpout values.

Example 1.30001 instead of 1.3001

The first is a five digit broker the second is a four digit. It has nothing to do with the platform. The MT4 platform is just table. The broker is the dealer and you are the player.

Blackjack muthaF$%%$^!!!!!!

I was curious as to adjusting the setting's
if I am using a 5 digit broker. I am going to give your setting a try but just unsure on what value's to input with the 5 digit broker. Sorry if this is retarded question... lol as of now..

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 10.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

^eagle^
11-25-2008, 05:43 PM
I think you only need to add a zero to the takeprofit and the slippage becasue those are measured in pips. everything else eshould be good

If you add a stop loss or a trailing stop then you would add a zero to those settings also.

popeone
11-25-2008, 05:47 PM
that's what I figured, just wanted ur opinion.. tks for the help! Greatly appreciated!

oofdah
11-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Eagle -

Judging by what you said (50% return in 4 weeks of $2,000), I'm assuming your initial depost was $4,000?

I ask because on a $1,000 account it blows out early in 08, however from $4,000 it seems to work.

^eagle^
11-26-2008, 03:50 AM
Eagle -

Judging by what you said (50% return in 4 weeks of $2,000), I'm assuming your initial depost was $4,000?

I ask because on a $1,000 account it blows out early in 08, however from $4,000 it seems to work.

That's correct.
I dont put a lot of weight on backtesting though. WQith smaller deposits <$5000 I suggest going with a micro account to assure the chance of no blow ups. and set LRR=1.

Also I will manually interfere if these settings start to get out of hand. I am finding though that these settings require minimal manual adjustments.

I'm liking that!:)
Screw FAp turbo!
Einstein said that everything should be made a simply as possible but not more simply. (somethign like that) Fap turbo is WAYYYYY too complicated. More parts to go wrong.

^eagle^
11-26-2008, 03:42 PM
Price on eur/usd is creating a head and shoulders pattern. This indicates a reversal to a downtrend is imminent.

I had two open buys in draw down with a sell also in drawdown way down south.

I have killed the buy aat the head of the pattern and waiting on confioirmation to kill the shoulder buy.


Use this info at your own risk

Edit:Killed shoulder buy trade because I am going to spend time with my daughter.
FAP will make up this loss in 24 to 48 hours

jefe
11-26-2008, 07:50 PM
Price on eur/usd is creating a head and shoulders pattern. This indicates a reversal to a downtrend is imminent.

I had two open buys in draw down with a sell also in drawdown way down south.

I have killed the buy aat the head of the pattern and waiting on confioirmation to kill the shoulder buy.


Use this info at your own risk

Edit:Killed shoulder buy trade because I am going to spend time with my daughter.
FAP will make up this loss in 24 to 48 hours

I'm glad to know I'm not the only only one that know's what a head and shoulders pattern is... SKF is scary..more to fail over the next 4mos...lol...

^eagle^
11-26-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm glad to know I'm not the only only one that know's what a head and shoulders pattern is... SKF is scary..more to fail over the next 4mos...lol...

What is SKF?

jefe
11-26-2008, 10:02 PM
What is SKF?


ultrashort financial etf based on a combo of stocks, deravitives and options.. when the financials go south this goes up... until C it was never really over 200... C drove it to 300!!! forming new head, aig, lehman, wamu, paulson are the right shoulder... wonder who will make up the fourth?


ever notice every time paulson speaks the mkt tanks 400... gotta love Treasury Tuesday's...

FAZ is the new triple financial short.

FWIW all those worried about FAPS selling too much...don't realize those are all buys in reverse... cracks me up...lol...

^eagle^
11-27-2008, 04:57 AM
ultrashort financial etf based on a combo of stocks, deravitives and options.. when the financials go south this goes up... until C it was never really over 200... C drove it to 300!!! forming new head, aig, lehman, wamu, paulson are the right shoulder... wonder who will make up the fourth?


ever notice every time paulson speaks the mkt tanks 400... gotta love Treasury Tuesday's...

FAZ is the new triple financial short.

FWIW all those worried about FAPS selling too much...don't realize those are all buys in reverse... cracks me up...lol...


I have extedend my TP's on two sells . One to the neck line and the other double the head to neck length. Like I said I am pretty good at techs but fundies are still a struggle for me.

I can see that you have A good understanding of fundamentals. This is an area That I lack. I only understood about half of what you wrote. All those abbreviations make little sense to me.

What head and shoulders are you looking at?

I am looking at the one on H1.

jefe
11-27-2008, 06:11 AM
I have extedend my TP's on two sells . One to the neck line and the other double the head to neck length. Like I said I am pretty good at techs but fundies are still a struggle for me.

I can see that you have A good understanding of fundamentals. This is an area That I lack. I only understood about half of what you wrote. All those abbreviations make little sense to me.

What head and shoulders are you looking at?

I am looking at the one on H1.

I lack in just about everything, but I'm really good at loosing money though :)

Most of the abbreviations were symbols for securities on the NYSE, I guess you start to know them all after awhile and forget about the company behind them--stocks trade on candlestick charts as well, the pattern indicators are the same.

And thanks for sharing your settings!

jourdanr
11-27-2008, 07:42 PM
Eagle,

Wondering if you could take a look at these setting for th EURUSD on M1 Demo trading on FOrexmeta Version 400 Build 220, $5000 initial deposit

Still not showing any trades. FAPturbo16 Smiley face is smiling but nothing today on Thanksgiving.

____Scalper___________=--- Scalper EURCHF, EURGPB, GBPCHF or USDCAD M15 ---
UseScalperStrategy=0
Scalper_Lots=0.10000000
Scalper_UseMM=0
Scalper_LotsRiskReductor=0.10000000
Scalper_MaxLots=10.00000000
Scalper_GMTOffset=2
Scalper_StealthMode=1
Scalper_UseCustomLevels=1
Scalper_RelaxHours=0
Scalper_SimpleHeightFilter=1
Scalper_TrendFilter=1
Scalper_TradeFriday=0
Scalper_OneTrade=0
Scalper_UseFilterMA=0
Scalper_PeriodFilterMA=100
Scalper_PriceFilterMA=0
Scalper_MethodFilterMA=0
Scalper_ExpertComment=FapTurboScalper
____FapTurbo__________=---------- FapTurbo EUR/USD M1 ----------
FapTurbo_Lots=0.00000000
FapTurbo_LotsRiskReductor=6.80000000
FapTurbo_MaxOrders=2
FapTurbo_MaxLots=100
FapTurbo_StopTime=10
FapTurbo_aaa=20
FapTurbo_bbb=8
FapTurbo_TakeProfit=20.00000000
FapTurbo_StopLoss=0.00000000
FapTurbo_TrailingStop=0.00000000
FapTurbo_DurationInHours=0
FapTurbo_CloseAfterXmonths=1
FapTurbo_PeriodMALarge=100
FapTurbo_PeriodMASmall=34
FapTurbo_PriceMA_0_6=2
FapTurbo_TypeMA_0_3=2
FapTurbo_ShiftMALarge=3
FapTurbo_ShiftMASmall=1
FapTurbo_LookForDays=2
FapTurbo_CriticalDays=45
FapTurbo_RelaxDays=0
FapTurbo_HedgingLotReducer=0.00000000
FapTurbo_Hedging=0
FapTurbo_TradeNFP=1
FapTurbo_TradeFriday=1
FapTurbo_Prudent=0
FapTurbo_SymAlligatorOnCritica=1
FapTurbo_FixedDirection=1
FapTurbo_ClsLsrOnMrktChnge=0
FapTurbo_AlwaysTrade=0
FapTurbo_LowLot=0.10000000
FapTurbo_TooGoodToBeTrue=50
FapTurbo_PrudentPeriod=30
FapTurbo_StartWorkTimeHour=0
FapTurbo_StartWorkTimeMin=0
FapTurbo_EndWorkTimeHour=0
FapTurbo_EndWorkTimeMin=0
FapTurbo_OneTrade=0
FapTurbo_SpanGator=0.90000000
FapTurbo_SlipPage=3
FapTurbo_ExpertComment=FapTurboEA
____Other_Parameters__=-----------------------------------------
MagicNumber=231313
ColorBuy=16711680
ColorSell=255
WriteLog=1
WriteDebugLog=0
PrintLogOnChart=1
KEY=522524993

alan
11-27-2008, 11:59 PM
once again, please post fapturbo content ONLY in the fapturbo section..

^eagle^
11-28-2008, 04:54 PM
Eagle,

Wondering if you could take a look at these setting for th EURUSD on M1 Demo trading on FOrexmeta Version 400 Build 220, $5000 initial deposit

Still not showing any trades. FAPturbo16 Smiley face is smiling but nothing today on Thanksgiving.

____Scalper___________=--- Scalper EURCHF, EURGPB, GBPCHF or USDCAD M15 ---
UseScalperStrategy=0
Scalper_Lots=0.10000000
Scalper_UseMM=0
Scalper_LotsRiskReductor=0.10000000
Scalper_MaxLots=10.00000000
Scalper_GMTOffset=2
Scalper_StealthMode=1
Scalper_UseCustomLevels=1
Scalper_RelaxHours=0
Scalper_SimpleHeightFilter=1
Scalper_TrendFilter=1
Scalper_TradeFriday=0
Scalper_OneTrade=0
Scalper_UseFilterMA=0
Scalper_PeriodFilterMA=100
Scalper_PriceFilterMA=0
Scalper_MethodFilterMA=0
Scalper_ExpertComment=FapTurboScalper
____FapTurbo__________=---------- FapTurbo EUR/USD M1 ----------
FapTurbo_Lots=0.00000000
FapTurbo_LotsRiskReductor=6.80000000
FapTurbo_MaxOrders=2
FapTurbo_MaxLots=100
FapTurbo_StopTime=10
FapTurbo_aaa=20
FapTurbo_bbb=8
FapTurbo_TakeProfit=20.00000000
FapTurbo_StopLoss=0.00000000
FapTurbo_TrailingStop=0.00000000
FapTurbo_DurationInHours=0
FapTurbo_CloseAfterXmonths=1
FapTurbo_PeriodMALarge=100
FapTurbo_PeriodMASmall=34
FapTurbo_PriceMA_0_6=2
FapTurbo_TypeMA_0_3=2
FapTurbo_ShiftMALarge=3
FapTurbo_ShiftMASmall=1
FapTurbo_LookForDays=2
FapTurbo_CriticalDays=45
FapTurbo_RelaxDays=0
FapTurbo_HedgingLotReducer=0.00000000
FapTurbo_Hedging=0
FapTurbo_TradeNFP=1
FapTurbo_TradeFriday=1
FapTurbo_Prudent=0
FapTurbo_SymAlligatorOnCritica=1
FapTurbo_FixedDirection=1
FapTurbo_ClsLsrOnMrktChnge=0
FapTurbo_AlwaysTrade=0
FapTurbo_LowLot=0.10000000
FapTurbo_TooGoodToBeTrue=50
FapTurbo_PrudentPeriod=30
FapTurbo_StartWorkTimeHour=0
FapTurbo_StartWorkTimeMin=0
FapTurbo_EndWorkTimeHour=0
FapTurbo_EndWorkTimeMin=0
FapTurbo_OneTrade=0
FapTurbo_SpanGator=0.90000000
FapTurbo_SlipPage=3
FapTurbo_ExpertComment=FapTurboEA
____Other_Parameters__=-----------------------------------------
MagicNumber=231313
ColorBuy=16711680
ColorSell=255
WriteLog=1
WriteDebugLog=0
PrintLogOnChart=1
KEY=522524993

I do not have FAP turbo so I cannot comment on it. I am waiting for some short and medium term results before I buy. The marketing hype is good but i am a skeptic by nature and like to see things from many sides before I make a decision to purchase something.

I am happy with good old FAP for the time being. Closing in on my second $1000 profit from my settings. I may hold off pulling out my $1000 and let the LRR bring me up faster to reach my goal of making my starting capital back.



Now pulling .15 lots on trades.

^eagle^
11-28-2008, 04:59 PM
Price on eur/usd is creating a head and shoulders pattern. This indicates a reversal to a downtrend is imminent.

I had two open buys in draw down with a sell also in drawdown way down south.

I have killed the buy aat the head of the pattern and waiting on confioirmation to kill the shoulder buy.


Use this info at your own risk

Edit:Killed shoulder buy trade because I am going to spend time with my daughter.
FAP will make up this loss in 24 to 48 hours

Damn Im getting good at forecasting! The reversal took a day longer than expected but There it is!

I will continue to post forecasts on this page for all you guys. I expect eur/usd to gap down over the weekend so if you have sells floating get ready to close them at the opening bell.

I got one two. One should profit and the other should close out for a loss b ecause of month end on monday. If the market continues to drop I will let it close.

echaz
11-28-2008, 05:32 PM
hey eagle, i don't know if i've understood everything right.

i have 3 buy orders open on eurusd. so would you recommend to close them before the market opens again, or should i let them open?

Gordon
11-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Change the period MA to 21! I keep telling everyone that this is trend filter to FAP. Place the 100 MA on your chart and then place the 21 MA on and compare the two.

You will see that trad e directions will lag behind the trend on the 100 MA but the 21 MA quickly follows it. Its not fool proof but it does catch the majority of the trends.

My FAP has been buying like crazy today.

I also set the TP at 10 because it lowers my risk. Less time on the board means less risk.

My settings

Lots=0
LRR=2 (2% risk per trade maximum 10% BUT this often hedges)
TP=10 (gets me off the board quickly to minimize risk)
Max orders=5 (usually no more than three open at any time usually hedged)
Stoptime=20(allows 20 bars to pass before FAP considers opening another trade while one is open)
aaa=20
bbb=8 (sticking with Earl's settings. Seen better results in forward testing)
period MA=21(this is the key. catches those reversals quickly. Does not lag)
Rest default (thinking about playing with the span gator but I am happy with what I got now)


I had LRR=1 but am so confident in these settings now I raised it to 2

I used to have to control the trade direction when my margin got all out of whack but I have never had more than three trades open at any one time and they usually hedge each other.


This is on a live account and I made quite a few pips on todays reversal.
Eagle, when you say the MA should be 21, are you referring to the LargeMA or the SmallMA? If it is the largeMA, what is the shortMA setting?
Thank you for your help.

Gordon

^eagle^
11-28-2008, 07:08 PM
Eagle, when you say the MA should be 21, are you referring to the LargeMA or the SmallMA? If it is the largeMA, what is the shortMA setting?
Thank you for your help.

Gordon
You are referring to FAPturbo. I do not use FAPturbo. Just good old FAP so I cannot comment on FAPturbo. Please refer all FAPturbo questions to the FAPturbo part of the forum. I know its new and exciting but until i see some good third party results I will not buy FAPturbo. This thread is about FAP settings and strategy only.

FAP has been good to me. I see no reason to switch EA's after all the hard work we put into this EA.

LONG LIVE FAP!!!!

^eagle^
11-28-2008, 07:16 PM
hey eagle, i don't know if i've understood everything right.

i have 3 buy orders open on eurusd. so would you recommend to close them before the market opens again, or should i let them open?


Depends on where they are. I would more than likely close them out if they are >150 pip draw down. Three trades at 150 each would take about a week to make up.

What I usually do in that situation is close at least the biggest loser and try to hedge it out.

I closed two buys a few days ago when I saw the reversal forming. One would have made it back but the other would still be floating with a large loss.

Its end of the month so you might want to just ride it out and start clean on monday.

Live to fight another day.

But yes. 48 hour forecast shows a slight downtrend over the weekend. probably small because of the holiday.

Use this info at your own risk.

Earl
11-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Gordon 21 would be the small MA...
you could use 75 or 100 or 200 for the large MA

Eli
11-29-2008, 04:30 PM
Eagle,
I know that you are currently using a setting of maxorders = 5, with a small TakeProfit which should keep you from accumulating too many losing trades in the same direction. It is, however, still possible to accumulate 5 losing trades (5 losing sells, or 5 losing buys), and at the same time the EA would no longer take trades in the winning direction.

My question/thought: WHy not open the EA on 2 charts? Have MaxOrders of 3 in each one, with one chart/EA only going LONG, and the other chart/EA only going short?

That way, the greatest number of wrong direction trades would be 3, and even when the max number of wrong trades are made in one chart/EA, the other Chart/EA would still be making profitable trades.

alan
11-30-2008, 01:24 AM
Damn Im getting good at forecasting! The reversal took a day longer than expected but There it is!

I will continue to post forecasts on this page for all you guys. I expect eur/usd to gap down over the weekend so if you have sells floating get ready to close them at the opening bell.

I got one two. One should profit and the other should close out for a loss b ecause of month end on monday. If the market continues to drop I will let it close.

Here is my first attempt at prognostication..the EURO will TANK..drop down..majorly on heavy speculation that the ECB will heavily cut rates..

Now if I end up being right, you all owe me $10 each ;)...jk...

^eagle^
11-30-2008, 03:12 PM
Eagle,
I know that you are currently using a setting of maxorders = 5, with a small TakeProfit which should keep you from accumulating too many losing trades in the same direction. It is, however, still possible to accumulate 5 losing trades (5 losing sells, or 5 losing buys), and at the same time the EA would no longer take trades in the winning direction.

My question/thought: WHy not open the EA on 2 charts? Have MaxOrders of 3 in each one, with one chart/EA only going LONG, and the other chart/EA only going short?

That way, the greatest number of wrong direction trades would be 3, and even when the max number of wrong trades are made in one chart/EA, the other Chart/EA would still be making profitable trades.

Try it out on demo. Backtest also.

I personally do not think it will do as well as my setting because I set the trend filter (period MA) to 21. This enables FAP to change trade direction quickly. The only time my settings seem to falter is during light volume and little price movement. But It also doesn't trade as often then.

pipmyride
11-30-2008, 08:01 PM
Eagle,

out of curiosity what is the aaa setting do exactly?

^eagle^
11-30-2008, 10:15 PM
Eagle,

out of curiosity what is the aaa setting do exactly?


The aaa setting is the number of bars that the demarker indicator studies.

The demarker indicator looks at a bar and compares it to the previous bar.

It goes through this calculation process for however many bars the aaa setting tells it to look at.

The formula then computes when a price action is about to stall based on the answer of the equation.

The higher the number the more bars are averaged into the equation.

a number of .03 indicates a bull reversal is about to occur
a number of .07 indicates a bear reversal is about to occur

At least this is my understanding of it.

LBowSoupKitchen
11-30-2008, 11:27 PM
eagle
thank you for the better understanding of the aaa seting. now could you enlighten the class on what the bbb means. i can't figure this out for the life of me (that not saying much seeing how i'm a forex rookie)

thanks for any help


dmd

^eagle^
12-01-2008, 05:58 AM
eagle
thank you for the better understanding of the aaa seting. now could you enlighten the class on what the bbb means. i can't figure this out for the life of me (that not saying much seeing how i'm a forex rookie)

thanks for any help


dmd
The bbb is the number of bars the williams percentage range looks at.

The WPR takes the difference between the highest high and the current close and compares it to the difference between the highest high and the lowest low of that period (the number of bars you tell it to look at with bbb)

It multiplies this ratio by 100 to give the answer to the equation a percentage value.

A reading of 80-100% indicates an oversold market and you should expect an upturn soon.

A reading of 0-20% indicates an overbought market and you should expect a downturn soon.

The higher the bbb the more bars the indicator looks at.

^eagle^
12-01-2008, 04:34 PM
Made my second $1000 profit today. thats 2000usd on 4100usd since 11/10.

50% return in three weeks

And only have 170 usd drawdown with over 10000%margin level.

Good ole FAP!

^eagle^
12-01-2008, 04:44 PM
since last tuesday....

Account: XXXXXXXXName: ^eagle^Currency: USD 2008 December 2, 00:39
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074603925 2008.11.26 17:25 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2966 0.0000 1.2976 2008.11.26 17:26 1.2976 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074612047 2008.11.26 20:03 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2884 0.0000 1.2894 2008.11.26 20:05 1.2894 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074613845 2008.11.26 21:23 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2888 0.0000 1.2898 2008.11.26 21:49 1.2898 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074614696 2008.11.26 22:01 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2901 0.0000 1.2911 2008.11.26 22:12 1.2911 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074575383 2008.11.26 01:52 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3043 0.0000 1.3053 2008.11.26 23:17 1.2892 0.00 0.00 0.00 -196.30
2074591600 2008.11.26 12:34 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2980 0.0000 1.2990 2008.11.26 23:46 1.2876 0.00 0.00 0.00 -135.20
2074618598 2008.11.27 00:08 sell stop 0.03 eurusd 1.2819 1.2825 1.2704 2008.11.27 05:28 1.2930 cancelled
2074624721 2008.11.27 05:48 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2918 0.0000 1.2908 2008.11.27 06:04 1.2908 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074625797 2008.11.27 08:01 sell 0.11 eurusd 1.2918 0.0000 1.2908 2008.11.27 09:06 1.2908 0.00 0.00 0.00 11.00
2074625544 2008.11.27 07:13 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2918 0.0000 1.2908 2008.11.27 09:06 1.2908 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074626765 2008.11.27 09:10 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2915 0.0000 1.2905 2008.11.27 09:20 1.2905 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074628867 2008.11.27 11:25 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2911 0.0000 1.2901 2008.11.27 13:26 1.2901 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074631957 2008.11.27 13:53 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2906 0.0000 1.2896 2008.11.27 13:58 1.2896 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074634352 2008.11.27 16:22 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2916 0.0000 1.2906 2008.11.27 16:37 1.2906 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074634799 2008.11.27 16:42 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2901 0.0000 1.2891 2008.11.27 16:50 1.2891 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074623835 2008.11.27 04:30 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2915 1.2905 1.2687 2008.11.27 17:27 1.2905 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074635403 2008.11.27 17:10 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2888 0.0000 1.2878 2008.11.27 17:51 1.2878 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074636324 2008.11.27 17:55 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2881 0.0000 1.2871 2008.11.27 17:57 1.2871 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074632500 2008.11.27 14:13 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2882 0.0000 1.2872 2008.11.27 17:57 1.2872 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074644872 2008.11.28 07:53 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2917 0.0000 1.2927 2008.11.28 08:35 1.2927 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074646218 2008.11.28 09:08 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2940 0.0000 1.2950 2008.11.28 09:13 1.2950 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074650871 2008.11.28 10:16 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2936 0.0000 1.2926 2008.11.28 10:47 1.2926 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074654062 2008.11.28 11:03 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2914 0.0000 1.2904 2008.11.28 11:05 1.2904 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074643484 2008.11.28 04:43 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2897 0.0000 1.2887 2008.11.28 11:16 1.2887 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074656112 2008.11.28 11:27 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2881 0.0000 1.2871 2008.11.28 11:29 1.2871 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074619895 2008.11.27 00:59 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2873 0.0000 1.2863 2008.11.28 11:34 1.2863 0.00 0.00 -0.92 12.00
2074661382 2008.11.28 12:37 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2853 0.0000 1.2843 2008.11.28 13:12 1.2843 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074664784 2008.11.28 13:22 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2833 0.0000 1.2823 2008.11.28 13:41 1.2823 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074666792 2008.11.28 13:48 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2822 0.0000 1.2812 2008.11.28 13:56 1.2812 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074672096 2008.11.28 14:41 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2735 0.0000 1.2725 2008.11.28 14:52 1.2725 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074676260 2008.11.28 16:07 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2750 0.0000 1.2740 2008.11.28 16:14 1.2740 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074678038 2008.11.28 17:04 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2724 0.0000 1.2714 2008.11.28 17:04 1.2714 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074679682 2008.11.28 17:47 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2709 0.0000 1.2699 2008.11.28 17:58 1.2699 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074681001 2008.11.28 18:14 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2680 0.0000 1.2670 2008.11.28 18:14 1.2670 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074684342 2008.11.28 19:38 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.2684 0.0000 1.2694 2008.11.28 19:40 1.2694 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074685201 2008.11.28 20:30 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2693 0.0000 1.2683 2008.12.01 01:48 1.2683 0.00 0.00 -1.06 14.00
2074697423 2008.12.01 07:37 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2677 0.0000 1.2667 2008.12.01 09:00 1.2667 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074698506 2008.12.01 08:42 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2674 0.0000 1.2664 2008.12.01 09:00 1.2664 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074700823 2008.12.01 10:15 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2675 0.0000 1.2665 2008.12.01 10:19 1.2665 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074706787 2008.12.01 12:42 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2642 0.0000 1.2632 2008.12.01 14:36 1.2632 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074704065 2008.12.01 11:32 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2640 0.0000 1.2630 2008.12.01 14:37 1.2630 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074702246 2008.12.01 10:35 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2638 0.0000 1.2628 2008.12.01 14:37 1.2628 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074709356 2008.12.01 14:51 sell 0.15 eurusd 1.2621 0.0000 1.2611 2008.12.01 15:09 1.2611 0.00 0.00 0.00 15.00
2074720085 2008.12.01 19:22 buy 0.15 eurusd 1.2628 0.0000 1.2638 2008.12.01 19:31 1.2638 0.00 0.00 0.00 15.00
2074723506 2008.12.01 21:20 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2644 0.0000 1.2634 2008.12.01 21:28 1.2634 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074725600 2008.12.01 22:19 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2652 0.0000 1.2642 2008.12.01 22:22 1.2642 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074721539 2008.12.01 20:07 sell 0.15 eurusd 1.2627 0.0000 1.2617 2008.12.01 22:54 1.2617 0.00 0.00 0.00 15.00
0.00 0.00 -1.98 239.50
Closed P/L: 237.52
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074432273 2008.11.21 03:06 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.2435 0.0000 1.2425 1.2623 0.00 0.00 -4.18 -112.80
2074726137 2008.12.01 22:42 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.2645 0.0000 1.2655 1.2620 0.00 0.00 0.56 -35.00
2074729372 2008.12.01 23:46 sell 0.15 eurusd 1.2612 0.0000 1.2602 1.2623 0.00 0.00 -1.05 -16.50
0.00 0.00 -4.67 -164.30
Floating P/L: -168.97
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 237.52 Floating P/L: -168.97 Margin: 44.08
Balance: 5 005.89 :)oh yeah:)Equity: 4 836.92 Free Margin: 4 792.84

mikeh
12-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Yes, I'm demoing your settings and I'm way up already first day. Looks very promising. I will re read your thoughts on closing upside down trades and then seriously consider going live with these. Thanks.

ddsully5
12-02-2008, 09:54 AM
Eagle, if possible, can you post the exact inputs your using. I don't even know the defaults are anymore. Thanks much!

Earl
12-02-2008, 10:19 AM
2074691210 2008.12.01 02:40 sell 0.17 eurusd 1.2662 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 03:16 1.2639 0.00 0.00 39.10
2074693686 2008.12.01 03:45 sell 0.18 eurusd 1.2644 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 14:38 1.2618 0.00 0.00 46.80
2074706933 2008.12.01 12:50 sell 0.16 eurusd 1.2649 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 14:37 1.2626 0.00 0.00 36.80
2074710430 2008.12.01 15:30 sell 0.19 eurusd 1.2618 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 15:55 1.2595 0.00 0.00 43.70
2074718152 2008.12.01 18:15 sell 0.17 eurusd 1.2622 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 22:59 1.2597 0.00 0.00 42.50
0.00 0.00 208.90
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00 Closed Trade P/L: 208.90

Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Lots Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission R/O Swap Trade P/L
2074713288 2008.12.01 16:20 sell 0.19 eurusd 1.2607 0.0000 0.0000 1.2609 0.00 0.00 -3.80
2074728172 2008.12.01 23:20 sell 0.18 eurusd 1.2624 0.0000 0.0000 1.2609 0.00 0.00 27.00
0.00 0.00 23.20
Floating P/L: 23.20

Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Lots Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

A/C Summary:
Previous Ledger Balance: 1 542.41 Floating P/L: 23.20
Closed Trade P/L: 208.90 Total Credit Facility: 0.00
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Equity: 1 774.51
Balance: 1 751.31 Margin Requirement: 233.38
Available Margin: 1 541.13


eagle I think your just spinning your wheels...

look I have good trades.... no open trades and account is steadily growning

I'm not touching anything...no manual closing of anything...

good start to the week


ask yourself what have you made???

Earl
12-02-2008, 10:47 AM
account 2...my dad account started 3 weeks ago with 300 bucks

21MA doesn't work it kills profits

2074691209 2008.12.01 02:40 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2662 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 03:16 1.2639 0.00 0.00 0.00 18.40
2074693681 2008.12.01 03:45 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2644 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 14:37 1.2621 0.00 0.00 0.00 18.40
2074706930 2008.12.01 12:50 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.2649 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 14:37 1.2626 0.00 0.00 0.00 16.10
2074710432 2008.12.01 15:30 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2618 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 15:54 1.2595 0.00 0.00 0.00 18.40
2074713282 2008.12.01 16:20 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2607 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.02 01:26 1.2584 0.00 0.00 -0.56 18.40
2074718150 2008.12.01 18:15 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2622 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.01 22:59 1.2599 0.00 0.00 0.00 18.40
2074728173 2008.12.01 23:20 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2624 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.02 01:19 1.2600 0.00 0.00 -0.56 19.20
2074733756 2008.12.02 02:00 sell 0.09 eurusd 1.2597 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.02 10:14 1.2574 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.70
2074741951 2008.12.02 08:30 sell 0.08 eurusd 1.2609 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.02 10:14 1.2585 0.00 0.00 0.00 19.20
2074745578 2008.12.02 10:45 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.2587 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.02 10:53 1.2564 0.00 0.00 0.00 23.00
0.00 0.00 -1.12 190.20
Closed P/L: 189.08
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
No transactions
0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Floating P/L: 0.00
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 189.08 Floating P/L: 0.00 Margin: 0.00
Balance: 891.73 Equity: 891.73 Free Margin: 891.73

:D

^eagle^
12-02-2008, 01:54 PM
We'll see when the market begins to whipsaw.

Great gains but when the shoit hits the fan I'll be able to ride out the storm.

AS far as manual closeouts I think I have better stop loss parameters than FAP. Its not a set stop loss but more of a strategy based on open prices and price movement. I have no problems with cutting a trade loose that I can make up in 1 to 5 days. No spinning wheels here.
So 2000usd in three weeks is spinning wheels?


I have no doubt your settings are good but your risk is way to high for me.

rarely do I have more than 5% on the table at any given time. And that's with moves with over 400 pips!

I can not only ride out a draw down but make pips at the same time.
The stoptime setting does that for me.

Earl
12-02-2008, 02:43 PM
what happens to MA21 when the trend goes down???

man we are going to see EUR down to 1.100 or even as low at 1.000

I don't think the EUR is going to rebound as quickly as USD and the US economy...

we are going to see a stronger green back...IMO

the difference between MA21 and MA100/75 isn't a few bucks it's a BIG difference...if one lessens the risk while using 100/75 it's as safe if not safer than M21

I like it high risk:D I want BIG RETURNS!!

with it set at M21 you better keep one eye open...LOL;)

Skandar
12-02-2008, 02:57 PM
When I tried to set MA to 21 I saw less trades but when there was some trades it was almost only buy trades.. is this what MA is actually doing? going for more long trades?

I'm having a live account atm and I tried eagle's settings, I had below $400 in the start of this week and I raised it to almost $600 today..

Still I have some open trades on minus, one buy and one sell and I'm asking myself if there is still something that I can improve to make this result better...

popeone
12-02-2008, 03:01 PM
what happens to MA21 when the trend goes down???

man we are going to see EUR down to 1.100 or even as low at 1.000

I don't think the EUR is going to rebound as quickly as USD and the US economy...

we are going to see a stronger green back...IMO

the difference between MA21 and MA100/75 isn't a few bucks it's a BIG difference...if one lessens the risk while using 100/75 it's as safe if not safer than M21

I like it high risk:D I want BIG RETURNS!!

with it set at M21 you better keep one eye open...LOL;)

Hey Earl, if you don't mind posting your settings? I was going to run two different live accounts to see the actual performance according to the market with both settings...

^eagle^
12-02-2008, 05:21 PM
what happens to MA21 when the trend goes down???

man we are going to see EUR down to 1.100 or even as low at 1.000

I don't think the EUR is going to rebound as quickly as USD and the US economy...

we are going to see a stronger green back...IMO

the difference between MA21 and MA100/75 isn't a few bucks it's a BIG difference...if one lessens the risk while using 100/75 it's as safe if not safer than M21

I like it high risk:D I want BIG RETURNS!!

with it set at M21 you better keep one eye open...LOL;)

The Ma 21 goes down with it while the 100 is still up for another hour or so. If anything that is risky its my number of trades.

So I MAY have a 2% trade I close out when the bottom falls out this thursday/friday. When I see the set up I close out that puny trade and ride the slide all the way down.

Meanwhile NFP Pilot will be popping pips like a mofo.

Better pull NFPPilot out of the closet for thursday and friday. Looks to be a humdinger.

jefe
12-02-2008, 09:26 PM
Hey,
I've been running 21MA since last Wednesday (with up to five trades) today the mkt turned and the trades seemed responsive, unfortunately the mkt turned, and because I was leaving it unattended for 12hrs I chose to reduce the # of trades to three. as a result the EUR/USD hasn't broken out of channel (sorry no numbers handy to reference) so none of my three trades (two buys and one sell) have executed. Had I been using a larger MA then I believe my buys positions would not have executed, and FAPS would have continued trading, instead is kind of stuck...LOL... Or had I left my # of orders at five then it would still be trading... I wish I could post screen shots but not 4possible... When I get home I'll up my # of orders to five, or maybe wait and see when it'll go up or down enough.

SO.... I would think with a short MA, use multiple orders, and a larger MA, use less orders; probably the same or near net gain though...

FWIW I start w/ $560, on Wednesday at noon, and was up to $1284 at noon today... Don't get too excited, I was running a 20 LRR a couple of times...:D:D

popeone
12-04-2008, 03:53 PM
Hey,
I've been running 21MA since last Wednesday (with up to five trades) today the mkt turned and the trades seemed responsive, unfortunately the mkt turned, and because I was leaving it unattended for 12hrs I chose to reduce the # of trades to three. as a result the EUR/USD hasn't broken out of channel (sorry no numbers handy to reference) so none of my three trades (two buys and one sell) have executed. Had I been using a larger MA then I believe my buys positions would not have executed, and FAPS would have continued trading, instead is kind of stuck...LOL... Or had I left my # of orders at five then it would still be trading... I wish I could post screen shots but not 4possible... When I get home I'll up my # of orders to five, or maybe wait and see when it'll go up or down enough.

SO.... I would think with a short MA, use multiple orders, and a larger MA, use less orders; probably the same or near net gain though...

FWIW I start w/ $560, on Wednesday at noon, and was up to $1284 at noon today... Don't get too excited, I was running a 20 LRR a couple of times...:D:D


R u running the same setting as Eagle?

^eagle^
12-04-2008, 04:34 PM
Hey,
I've been running 21MA since last Wednesday (with up to five trades) today the mkt turned and the trades seemed responsive, unfortunately the mkt turned, and because I was leaving it unattended for 12hrs I chose to reduce the # of trades to three. as a result the EUR/USD hasn't broken out of channel (sorry no numbers handy to reference) so none of my three trades (two buys and one sell) have executed. Had I been using a larger MA then I believe my buys positions would not have executed, and FAPS would have continued trading, instead is kind of stuck...LOL... Or had I left my # of orders at five then it would still be trading... I wish I could post screen shots but not 4possible... When I get home I'll up my # of orders to five, or maybe wait and see when it'll go up or down enough.

SO.... I would think with a short MA, use multiple orders, and a larger MA, use less orders; probably the same or near net gain though...

FWIW I start w/ $560, on Wednesday at noon, and was up to $1284 at noon today... Don't get too excited, I was running a 20 LRR a couple of times...:D:D
There are times when its fairly safe to raise up the LRR>2
When a strong trend occurs you can rasie it and FAP will start popping pips like crazy. Now that you mention it if you attached stochastics ,21 SMA,and the adx and the trend picks up you COULD in theory raise your LRR when ADX takes off and lower it when you reach over bought or oversold with RSI or williams percentage range. If the trend is strong price will track above or below 21SMA. Lower LRR when price breaches 21SMA and kill the trade.

Those of you that have tried settings know how this thing pops pips when in a 30-40 degree angle trend.:D

I'm too chicken to try it live.

May get the courage later though.

I highly reccomend you being in front of your computer if you try this. not even a bathroom break.

^eagle^
12-04-2008, 04:38 PM
Hey,
I've been running 21MA since last Wednesday (with up to five trades) today the mkt turned and the trades seemed responsive, unfortunately the mkt turned, and because I was leaving it unattended for 12hrs I chose to reduce the # of trades to three. as a result the EUR/USD hasn't broken out of channel (sorry no numbers handy to reference) so none of my three trades (two buys and one sell) have executed. Had I been using a larger MA then I believe my buys positions would not have executed, and FAPS would have continued trading, instead is kind of stuck...LOL... Or had I left my # of orders at five then it would still be trading... I wish I could post screen shots but not 4possible... When I get home I'll up my # of orders to five, or maybe wait and see when it'll go up or down enough.

SO.... I would think with a short MA, use multiple orders, and a larger MA, use less orders; probably the same or near net gain though...

FWIW I start w/ $560, on Wednesday at noon, and was up to $1284 at noon today... Don't get too excited, I was running a 20 LRR a couple of times...:D:D
There are times when its fairly safe to raise up the LRR>2
When a strong trend occurs you can rasie it and FAP will start popping pips like crazy. Now that you mention it if you attached stochastics ,21 SMA,and the adx and the trend picks up you COULD in theory raise your LRR when ADX takes off and lower it when you reach over bought or oversold with RSI or williams percentage range. If the trend is strong price will track above or below 21SMA. Lower LRR when price breaches 21SMA and kill the trade.

Those of you that have tried these settings know how this thing pops pips when in a 30-40 degree angle trend.:D

I'm too chicken to try it live.

May get the courage later though.

I highly reccomend you being in front of your computer if you try this. not even a bathroom break.

maxfactor
12-04-2008, 04:48 PM
I'm too chicken to try it live.

May get the courage later though.

I highly reccomend you being in front of your computer if you try this. not even a bathroom break.
So true eagle! :D

^eagle^
12-04-2008, 04:52 PM
When I tried to set MA to 21 I saw less trades but when there was some trades it was almost only buy trades.. is this what MA is actually doing? going for more long trades?

I'm having a live account atm and I tried eagle's settings, I had below $400 in the start of this week and I raised it to almost $600 today..

Still I have some open trades on minus, one buy and one sell and I'm asking myself if there is still something that I can improve to make this result better...


The MA follows the trend. It changes very rapidly with the trend.

If the trend is going up 21 MA will begin buying quicker than a higher MA
If the trend is going down it will begin selling quicker
Place the 21SMA on your chart and look at the buys and sells.

You'll see how it filters the trend.

I use the TP=10 to catch those quick little reversals and it also helps when there is a major reversal so trades arent left hanging.

Lately I have had some hangers but had I been patient everyone but one of them would have closed in profit.

Earl
12-04-2008, 06:08 PM
hey eagle...I didn't know you where using a tp of 10...hhhhmmmmm

I will backtest that...I always used 21 with 23 pip tp

^eagle^
12-04-2008, 06:41 PM
hey eagle...I didn't know you where using a tp of 10...hhhhmmmmm

I will backtest that...I always used 21 with 23 pip tp

I also use a 20 to 30 stop time to keep trades from clumping.

Clumping is what causes the blowouts. Li8ke when we were all going crazy with 1 stoptimeLOL


Sigh
Oh the good ole days

LOL:)

I went against my better judgement on that one. never shoulda let you talk me into that but my greed got the better of me.

Live and learn

^eagle^
12-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Last 24 hours with good ole FAP!

Already made up 20% of my loss last friday due to my robot war.

(I had three rEAs on one live account and they started fighting with each other causing a 1000usd loss last friday)

FXDD

Account: XXXXXXName: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2008 December 9, 00:31
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074943977 2008.12.08 23:33 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2948 0.0000 1.2958 2008.12.08 23:51 1.2958 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074939842 2008.12.08 21:35 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2933 0.0000 1.2923 2008.12.08 22:49 1.2923 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074935617 2008.12.08 18:38 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2945 0.0000 1.2955 2008.12.08 21:59 1.2955 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074938622 2008.12.08 20:48 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2918 0.0000 1.2928 2008.12.08 20:51 1.2928 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074933950 2008.12.08 17:57 sell 0.12 eurusd 1.2938 0.0000 1.2928 2008.12.08 17:58 1.2928 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074932660 2008.12.08 17:27 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2915 0.0000 1.2925 2008.12.08 17:31 1.2925 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074922398 2008.12.08 11:10 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2907 0.0000 1.2917 2008.12.08 17:26 1.2917 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074924363 2008.12.08 12:22 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2898 0.0000 1.2908 2008.12.08 16:44 1.2908 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074925551 2008.12.08 13:47 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2878 0.0000 1.2888 2008.12.08 15:48 1.2888 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074920751 2008.12.08 10:27 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2888 0.0000 1.2898 2008.12.08 11:01 1.2898 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074915526 2008.12.08 08:37 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2821 0.0000 1.2831 2008.12.08 09:11 1.2831 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074911097 2008.12.08 05:34 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2780 0.0000 1.2790 2008.12.08 08:06 1.2790 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074912077 2008.12.08 06:37 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2775 0.0000 1.2785 2008.12.08 08:04 1.2785 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074911549 2008.12.08 06:00 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2773 0.0000 1.2783 2008.12.08 08:03 1.2783 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074912923 2008.12.08 07:24 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2768 0.0000 1.2778 2008.12.08 07:50 1.2778 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.00
2074910604 2008.12.08 05:07 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2765 0.0000 1.2775 2008.12.08 05:33 1.2775 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074909458 2008.12.08 04:08 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2754 0.0000 1.2744 2008.12.08 04:25 1.2744 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
0.00 0.00 0.00 214.00
Closed P/L: 214.00
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074909893 2008.12.08 04:32 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2745 0.0000 1.2744 1.2949 0.00 0.00 -0.92 -265.20
2074941242 2008.12.08 22:08 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2958 0.0000 1.2968 1.2946 0.00 0.00 0.49 -14.40
0.00 0.00 -0.43 -279.60
Floating P/L: -280.03
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 214.00 Floating P/L: -280.03 Margin: 6.42
Balance: 4 571.31 Equity: 4 291.28 Free Margin: 4 284.86

Ill put good ole fap up agauibst Faprturbo any day of the week!:D

alan
12-09-2008, 12:10 AM
^eagle^ are you using Earl's settings too?

^eagle^
12-09-2008, 04:07 AM
These are the same custom settings I started with at the the beginning of this thread.

I posted them at the beginning of the thread and the logic behind them.

I have recently upped the stop time=30 from 20 to decrease risk of trade clumping.

If i could just filter out the trades when price gets to support or resistance I would have the perfect EA! I have seen an indicator that filter's this. Just cant remember where. Either forexfactory or tsd.

Earl's 34 MA may help in catching more of the sharper mini trends. the 21 does not trade on any trend with an angle higher than 40 degrees.

Earl's risk is way too high for me. Placing anything >5% on the table with only one trade to hedge it is suicide!

I like his setting but hate his risk. May start demoing it soon with lower risk.

alan
12-09-2008, 04:27 AM
Hmm...I just checked out your settings...will give them a try for a while..I'm realy curious to see if MA period 21 really does make a difference.

stuve
12-10-2008, 08:37 AM
2008.12.10 15:28:04 'xxxxx: order was opened : #2340871 buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.29825 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000

I have Tp set to 10. why 0.0000 on tp???

Edit: oki I see, need to set to 100..

^eagle^
12-10-2008, 05:27 PM
I ve been working on the hanging trade problem with this system and I came up with this.

Below I attached an image of the H1 eur/usd chart. I have one hanging trade and one potential hanging trade.


The sell trade was openedwhere the down arrow is.

The buy was opened where the up arrow is.

The diaganol line is the current trend.

The horizontal line is current support (Suggested by the price bouncing several times between the arrows before continuing up.)

the current buy is at current resistance right now.

The sell has been in drawdown for about 48 hours. This is about the time I look to kill it. So what I have done is moved the TAKE PROFIT up to the current support. What this does is minimize my loss and and minimize my risk to wait out for a complete reversal.

this loss is about 100 pips which good ole FAP can make up in half a day.

If the buy goes into draw down I do the opposite and move the TAKE PROFIT down to support. I will do this if and only if price breaks through the trend line and support. Then support will become resistance.

Can any of you coders add this to FAP!??

jefe
12-10-2008, 05:57 PM
ok this maybe a silly question... ( have never tried it and I'm not near that computer)

Can you manually modify a FAPS TP order? ( I don't see why you couldn't)

I have to agree, after 48 or 72hrs or less dpending on my mood-- I 'd want to either kill a deadstick or at least reduce the loss...


Or maybe just double down with an options trade???

mmm... We could package all the losses together, sell it as a derivative... --
It's a great investment and insured by AIG...
Now to just find a broker to pkg the deal....

^eagle^
12-10-2008, 06:59 PM
ok this maybe a silly question... ( have never tried it and I'm not near that computer)

Can you manually modify a FAPS TP order? ( I don't see why you couldn't)

I have to agree, after 48 or 72hrs or less dpending on my mood-- I 'd want to either kill a deadstick or at least reduce the loss...


Or maybe just double down with an options trade???

mmm... We could package all the losses together, sell it as a derivative... --
It's a great investment and insured by AIG...
Now to just find a broker to pkg the deal....
Yes you can manually change take profit by double clicking the amount under the take profit column of your trade terminal. A box will appear to modify the trade. You can adjust the take profit from there.

Do not adjust the stop loss. you want to do a negative take profit instead to keep FAP from automatically closing out the trade because it over shot the stio loss.

^eagle^
12-10-2008, 07:19 PM
FXDD

Account: XXXXXName: ^eagle^Currency: USD 2008 December 11, 03:11
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2075053194 2008.12.11 01:47 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3017 0.0000 1.3027 2008.12.11 03:07 1.3021 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.80
2075035127 2008.12.10 22:17 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.3031 0.0000 1.3041 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 1.72 -7.00
2075038877 2008.12.10 23:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3024 0.0000 1.3034 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 1.59 2.60
2075047350 2008.12.11 00:06 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3023 0.0000 1.3033 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 0.00 3.90
2075028341 2008.12.10 20:23 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3050 0.0000 1.3060 2008.12.10 20:47 1.3060 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075025798 2008.12.10 18:55 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.3018 0.0000 1.3028 2008.12.10 19:00 1.3028 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2075024795 2008.12.10 18:21 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3016 0.0000 1.3026 2008.12.10 19:00 1.3026 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075021673 2008.12.10 17:11 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3012 0.0000 1.3022 2008.12.10 17:13 1.3022 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075019932 2008.12.10 16:28 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2983 0.0000 1.2993 2008.12.10 16:40 1.2993 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075010424 2008.12.10 09:50 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2983 0.0000 1.2993 2008.12.10 16:40 1.2993 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075011934 2008.12.10 10:35 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2981 0.0000 1.2991 2008.12.10 16:39 1.2991 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075018836 2008.12.10 15:51 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2971 0.0000 1.2981 2008.12.10 16:21 1.2981 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075016878 2008.12.10 14:11 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2943 0.0000 1.2933 2008.12.10 15:00 1.2933 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075016330 2008.12.10 13:41 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2935 0.0000 1.2945 2008.12.10 13:45 1.2945 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075015861 2008.12.10 13:08 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2934 0.0000 1.2944 2008.12.10 13:45 1.2944 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075004822 2008.12.10 04:36 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2936 0.0000 1.2926 2008.12.10 12:22 1.2926 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2075006954 2008.12.10 06:55 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2955 0.0000 1.2965 2008.12.10 09:03 1.2965 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075006271 2008.12.10 06:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2955 0.0000 1.2965 2008.12.10 09:03 1.2965 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075001623 2008.12.10 02:13 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2947 0.0000 1.2957 2008.12.10 05:59 1.2957 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075005311 2008.12.10 05:29 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2938 0.0000 1.2948 2008.12.10 05:55 1.2948 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075004066 2008.12.10 03:44 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.2928 0.0000 1.2938 2008.12.10 04:01 1.2938 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074995295 2008.12.10 00:24 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2936 0.0000 1.2946 2008.12.10 02:06 1.2946 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074985649 2008.12.09 22:49 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2932 0.0000 1.2942 2008.12.10 02:05 1.2942 0.00 0.00 0.53 13.00
2074994837 2008.12.10 00:14 sell 0.34 eurgbp 0.8767 0.8930 0.8709 2008.12.10 00:18 0.8761 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.13
2074992192 2008.12.09 23:54 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2921 0.0000 1.2931 2008.12.10 00:14 1.2931 0.00 0.00 0.53 13.00
2074978818 2008.12.09 19:25 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2985 0.0000 1.2995 2008.12.09 19:37 1.2995 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074941242 2008.12.08 22:08 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2958 0.0000 1.2968 2008.12.09 19:12 1.2968 0.00 0.00 0.49 12.00
2074977094 2008.12.09 18:41 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2931 0.0000 1.2941 2008.12.09 18:43 1.2941 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074975927 2008.12.09 18:07 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2905 0.0000 1.2915 2008.12.09 18:26 1.2915 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074974258 2008.12.09 17:30 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2879 0.0000 1.2889 2008.12.09 17:32 1.2889 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074972496 2008.12.09 16:44 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2849 0.0000 1.2859 2008.12.09 17:06 1.2859 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
0.00 0.00 4.86 372.43
Closed P/L: 377.29
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074909893 2008.12.08 04:32 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2745 0.0000 1.2903 1.3024 0.00 0.00 -4.63 -362.70
2075030704 2008.12.10 21:18 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3035 0.0000 1.3045 1.3021 0.00 0.00 1.59 -18.20
2075055525 2008.12.11 02:35 buy 0.35 eurgbp 0.8792 0.8640 0.8840 0.8789 0.00 0.00 0.00 -15.55
0.00 0.00 -3.04 -396.45
Floating P/L: -399.49
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 377.29 Floating P/L: -399.49 Margin: 227.78
Balance: 5 023.00 Equity: 4 623.51 Free Margin: 4 395.73

Almost back to my Friday balance pre NFP!

Now if I canjust kill that floater.

Price has been floating at resistance and I had multiple buys open at the NY close. Too many buys at the same level so I closed them all for a net 50 cent gain.

maxfactor
12-10-2008, 08:10 PM
FXDD

Account: XXXXXName: ^eagle^Currency: USD 2008 December 11, 03:11
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2075053194 2008.12.11 01:47 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3017 0.0000 1.3027 2008.12.11 03:07 1.3021 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.80
2075035127 2008.12.10 22:17 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.3031 0.0000 1.3041 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 1.72 -7.00
2075038877 2008.12.10 23:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3024 0.0000 1.3034 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 1.59 2.60
2075047350 2008.12.11 00:06 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3023 0.0000 1.3033 2008.12.11 00:33 1.3026 0.00 0.00 0.00 3.90
2075028341 2008.12.10 20:23 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3050 0.0000 1.3060 2008.12.10 20:47 1.3060 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075025798 2008.12.10 18:55 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.3018 0.0000 1.3028 2008.12.10 19:00 1.3028 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2075024795 2008.12.10 18:21 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3016 0.0000 1.3026 2008.12.10 19:00 1.3026 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075021673 2008.12.10 17:11 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3012 0.0000 1.3022 2008.12.10 17:13 1.3022 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075019932 2008.12.10 16:28 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2983 0.0000 1.2993 2008.12.10 16:40 1.2993 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075010424 2008.12.10 09:50 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2983 0.0000 1.2993 2008.12.10 16:40 1.2993 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075011934 2008.12.10 10:35 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2981 0.0000 1.2991 2008.12.10 16:39 1.2991 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075018836 2008.12.10 15:51 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2971 0.0000 1.2981 2008.12.10 16:21 1.2981 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075016878 2008.12.10 14:11 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2943 0.0000 1.2933 2008.12.10 15:00 1.2933 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075016330 2008.12.10 13:41 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2935 0.0000 1.2945 2008.12.10 13:45 1.2945 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075015861 2008.12.10 13:08 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2934 0.0000 1.2944 2008.12.10 13:45 1.2944 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075004822 2008.12.10 04:36 sell 0.14 eurusd 1.2936 0.0000 1.2926 2008.12.10 12:22 1.2926 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2075006954 2008.12.10 06:55 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2955 0.0000 1.2965 2008.12.10 09:03 1.2965 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075006271 2008.12.10 06:03 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2955 0.0000 1.2965 2008.12.10 09:03 1.2965 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075001623 2008.12.10 02:13 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2947 0.0000 1.2957 2008.12.10 05:59 1.2957 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075005311 2008.12.10 05:29 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2938 0.0000 1.2948 2008.12.10 05:55 1.2948 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2075004066 2008.12.10 03:44 buy 0.14 eurusd 1.2928 0.0000 1.2938 2008.12.10 04:01 1.2938 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
2074995295 2008.12.10 00:24 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2936 0.0000 1.2946 2008.12.10 02:06 1.2946 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074985649 2008.12.09 22:49 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2932 0.0000 1.2942 2008.12.10 02:05 1.2942 0.00 0.00 0.53 13.00
2074994837 2008.12.10 00:14 sell 0.34 eurgbp 0.8767 0.8930 0.8709 2008.12.10 00:18 0.8761 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.13
2074992192 2008.12.09 23:54 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2921 0.0000 1.2931 2008.12.10 00:14 1.2931 0.00 0.00 0.53 13.00
2074978818 2008.12.09 19:25 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2985 0.0000 1.2995 2008.12.09 19:37 1.2995 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074941242 2008.12.08 22:08 buy 0.12 eurusd 1.2958 0.0000 1.2968 2008.12.09 19:12 1.2968 0.00 0.00 0.49 12.00
2074977094 2008.12.09 18:41 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2931 0.0000 1.2941 2008.12.09 18:43 1.2941 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074975927 2008.12.09 18:07 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2905 0.0000 1.2915 2008.12.09 18:26 1.2915 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074974258 2008.12.09 17:30 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2879 0.0000 1.2889 2008.12.09 17:32 1.2889 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
2074972496 2008.12.09 16:44 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.2849 0.0000 1.2859 2008.12.09 17:06 1.2859 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00
0.00 0.00 4.86 372.43
Closed P/L: 377.29
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2074909893 2008.12.08 04:32 sell 0.13 eurusd 1.2745 0.0000 1.2903 1.3024 0.00 0.00 -4.63 -362.70
2075030704 2008.12.10 21:18 buy 0.13 eurusd 1.3035 0.0000 1.3045 1.3021 0.00 0.00 1.59 -18.20
2075055525 2008.12.11 02:35 buy 0.35 eurgbp 0.8792 0.8640 0.8840 0.8789 0.00 0.00 0.00 -15.55
0.00 0.00 -3.04 -396.45
Floating P/L: -399.49
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 377.29 Floating P/L: -399.49 Margin: 227.78
Balance: 5 023.00 Equity: 4 623.51 Free Margin: 4 395.73

Almost back to my Friday balance pre NFP!

Now if I canjust kill that floater.

Price has been floating at resistance and I had multiple buys open at the NY close. Too many buys at the same level so I closed them all for a net 50 cent gain.

Impressive. :cool:

maxfactor
12-11-2008, 06:20 AM
Straighthold Investment Group, Inc. Live Account. :D Thanks Eagle and Alan.:)

Account:xxxxx Name: xxxx xxxxxx Currency: USD 2008 December 11, 14:18


27786636 2008.12.11 02:09 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3018 0.0000 1.3028 2008.12.11 03:36 1.3028 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27789023 2008.12.11 03:08 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.3019 0.0000 1.3009 2008.12.11 03:54 1.3049 0.00 0.00 0.00 -30.00
27790322 2008.12.11 03:48 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3044 0.0000 1.3054 2008.12.11 05:20 1.3054 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27791998 2008.12.11 04:31 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3045 0.0000 1.3055 2008.12.11 05:21 1.3055 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27793361 2008.12.11 05:54 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3058 0.0000 1.3068 2008.12.11 07:27 1.3068 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27794469 2008.12.11 06:48 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3049 0.0000 1.3059 2008.12.11 07:25 1.3059 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27794542 2008.12.11 06:55 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3047 0.0000 1.3057 2008.12.11 07:25 1.3057 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27794887 2008.12.11 07:11 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3051 0.0000 1.3057 2008.12.11 07:25 1.3057 0.00 0.00 0.00 60.00
27795408 2008.12.11 07:26 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3061 0.0000 1.3068 2008.12.11 07:27 1.3068 0.00 0.00 0.00 70.00
27797678 2008.12.11 07:36 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3095 0.0000 1.3105 2008.12.11 07:52 1.3105 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27797724 2008.12.11 07:36 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3093 0.0000 1.3105 2008.12.11 07:52 1.3105 0.00 0.00 0.00 240.00
27797932 2008.12.11 07:42 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3101 0.0000 1.3105 2008.12.11 07:52 1.3105 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
27799821 2008.12.11 08:06 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3134 0.0000 1.3144 2008.12.11 08:31 1.3144 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27800132 2008.12.11 08:13 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3123 0.0000 1.3144 2008.12.11 08:31 1.3144 0.00 0.00 0.00 420.00
27800368 2008.12.11 08:20 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3124 0.0000 1.3134 2008.12.11 08:26 1.3134 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27801333 2008.12.11 08:36 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3141 0.0000 1.3151 2008.12.11 08:45 1.3151 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27801350 2008.12.11 08:36 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3138 0.0000 1.3151 2008.12.11 08:45 1.3151 0.00 0.00 0.00 260.00
27803463 2008.12.11 09:15 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3144 0.0000 1.3154 2008.12.11 12:37 1.3154 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27804378 2008.12.11 09:36 sell 0.20 eurusd 1.3130 0.0000 1.3120 2008.12.11 09:49 1.3120 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27805864 2008.12.11 10:05 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3125 0.0000 1.3154 2008.12.11 12:37 1.3154 0.00 0.00 0.00 580.00
27806272 2008.12.11 10:14 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3135 0.0000 1.3145 2008.12.11 12:28 1.3145 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27810126 2008.12.11 11:30 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3115 0.0000 1.3125 2008.12.11 11:58 1.3125 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27812495 2008.12.11 12:13 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3134 0.0000 1.3144 2008.12.11 12:28 1.3144 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27812989 2008.12.11 12:25 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3133 0.0000 1.3143 2008.12.11 12:28 1.3143 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27814411 2008.12.11 12:46 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3170 0.0000 1.3180 2008.12.11 13:20 1.3180 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27816053 2008.12.11 13:15 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3171 0.0000 1.3181 2008.12.11 13:20 1.3181 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27816697 2008.12.11 13:27 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3177 0.0000 1.3187 2008.12.11 13:46 1.3187 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27817465 2008.12.11 13:45 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3182 0.0000 1.3187 2008.12.11 13:46 1.3187 0.00 0.00 0.00 100.00
27817493 2008.12.11 13:45 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3183 0.0000 1.3187 2008.12.11 13:46 1.3187 0.00 0.00 0.00 80.00
27818239 2008.12.11 13:59 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3198 0.0000 1.3208 2008.12.11 14:18 1.3208 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00
27818477 2008.12.11 14:02 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3184 0.0000 1.3208 2008.12.11 14:18 1.3208 0.00 0.00 0.00 480.00
27818563 2008.12.11 14:04 buy 4.00 eurusd 1.3188 0.0000 1.3208 2008.12.11 14:18 1.3208 0.00 0.00 0.00 800.00
0.00 0.00 -59.57 1 135.98
Closed P/L: 1 076.41

alan
12-11-2008, 07:40 AM
good stuff maxfactor! I'm curious though are you running both FAPS and fapturbo long term strategy side by side? The reason I'm asking is I see large winning trade intersperced among lots of small winning trades.

maxfactor
12-11-2008, 09:48 AM
good stuff maxfactor! I'm curious though are you running both FAPS and fapturbo long term strategy side by side? The reason I'm asking is I see large winning trade intersperced among lots of small winning trades.

No Alan FaP CLassic all the way. The large trades are manually open before the small one closes. It is risky but I am doing it to rebuild my account from those bad sells. Right now I have changed fap to LONG only. I notice it picking up sells which are bad. :cool:

alan
12-11-2008, 10:01 AM
Hmm, you're right it is picking up a few sell positions. My FAPS opened about 30 buy positions, and then it all of sudden decided to sell. Luckily for me the position was closed at a profit on a retracement. I still think though the medium term trend is long though. Any short positions at this point could go horribly wrong - at least not until we reach some sort of strong resistence level.

Mark, denver
12-11-2008, 03:04 PM
Eagle,

This week my demo acocunt was crushed when FAPS when short the USD/EUR to about a 675 pip loss. ( I run the default MA=100 setting) Did your account with the MA= 21 catch the trend reversal better, Or at least keep you loss smaller?
I am close to going live. Also, I'm seeing the light on using a stop loss. In real life, I think you just have a point you say enough. I'm thinking about 220-250 pips for SL, yout thoughts?

Maldoror
12-11-2008, 04:02 PM
In my eyes the SL and TP strategies of most systems are very poorly implemented or nonexistent. The same fixed SL/TP for different situations is insufficient. I think it makes sense to let the program open a trade with a large emergency SL, then get emailed by the system to have a look at the new trade and adjust the SL by hand according to support and resistance. That would be semi-automatic trading, but more secure.

maxfactor
12-11-2008, 04:11 PM
Straighthold Investment Group, Inc. Live Account.

Account:xxxxx Name: xxxx xxxxxx Currency: USD 2008 December 11, 23:59

27826128 2008.12.11 15:53 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3234 0.0000 1.3242 2008.12.11 15:56 1.3242 0.00 0.00 160.00
27826477 2008.12.11 16:00 sell 0.40 eurusd 1.3239 0.0000 1.3229 2008.12.11 16:05 1.3263 0.00 0.00 -96.00
27827316 2008.12.11 16:10 buy 0.40 eurusd 1.3258 0.0000 1.3268 2008.12.11 16:12 1.3268 0.00 0.00 40.00
27827346 2008.12.11 16:10 buy 4.00 eurusd 1.3260 0.0000 1.3268 2008.12.11 16:12 1.3268 0.00 0.00 320.00
27827352 2008.12.11 16:11 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3263 0.0000 1.3268 2008.12.11 16:12 1.3268 0.00 0.00 100.00
27827751 2008.12.11 16:20 buy 0.40 eurusd 1.3266 0.0000 1.3276 2008.12.11 18:43 1.3276 0.00 0.00 40.00
27827898 2008.12.11 16:24 buy 4.00 eurusd 1.3263 0.0000 1.3276 2008.12.11 18:43 1.3276 0.00 0.00 520.00
27827901 2008.12.11 16:24 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3262 0.0000 1.3276 2008.12.11 18:43 1.3276 0.00 0.00 280.00
27828919 2008.12.11 16:45 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3251 0.0000 1.3261 2008.12.11 16:48 1.3261 0.00 0.00 10.00
27829940 2008.12.11 17:00 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3267 0.0000 1.3277 2008.12.11 18:44 1.3277 0.00 0.00 20.00
27830925 2008.12.11 17:20 buy 0.20 eurusd 1.3263 0.0000 1.3273 2008.12.11 17:29 1.3273 0.00 0.00 20.00
27834343 2008.12.11 18:22 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3248 0.0000 1.3258 2008.12.11 18:33 1.3258 0.00 0.00 10.00
27836996 2008.12.11 18:55 buy 0.50 eurusd 1.3279 0.0000 1.3289 2008.12.11 18:58 1.3289 0.00 0.00 50.00
27840204 2008.12.11 19:42 buy 0.50 eurusd 1.3343 0.0000 1.3353 2008.12.11 19:47 1.3353 0.00 0.00 50.00
27844931 2008.12.11 21:05 buy 0.40 eurusd 1.3343 0.0000 1.3353 2008.12.11 23:15 1.3353 0.00 0.00 40.00
27848453 2008.12.11 22:30 buy 0.40 eurusd 1.3337 0.0000 1.3347 2008.12.11 23:13 1.3347 0.00 0.00 40.00
27849996 2008.12.11 23:02 buy 0.40 eurusd 1.3335 0.0000 1.3345 2008.12.11 23:12 1.3345 0.00 0.00 40.00
0.00 -17.05 6 037.00
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00 Closed Trade P/L: 6 019.95:D

^eagle^
12-11-2008, 04:51 PM
The recent uptrend just left my sell trade at 1.28 in the dust. Right now I am sitting on a 25% drawdown.

I see I am going to have to get better at forecasting for this to work. I've been doing some reading on the effect of NFP on the market for the long term and found some interesting correlations.
this current uptrend is the 68.3 retracement of the big fall that happened last august.

Current market conditions suggest it is overbought and may dip. How much is anyones guess. The euro fundies are still weak


My stop loss plan failed on this trade. but Because I keep my risk small I can ride it out and still make pips with the other four trades.

^eagle^
12-11-2008, 04:59 PM
Eagle,

This week my demo acocunt was crushed when FAPS when short the USD/EUR to about a 675 pip loss. ( I run the default MA=100 setting) Did your account with the MA= 21 catch the trend reversal better, Or at least keep you loss smaller?
I am close to going live. Also, I'm seeing the light on using a stop loss. In real life, I think you just have a point you say enough. I'm thinking about 220-250 pips for SL, yout thoughts?

Even the 21 will eventually leave a hanging trade. That is why it is so important manage your money and spread your risk. This way you can keep making pips while in Draw down.

I would not consider a stop loss but more of a time triggered stop loss.

I am thinking about using 24 hours as a long enough time for a trade to make it or break it. after that I think it would be wise just to kill it with the above strategy.

I waited almost three days before I decided to try to kill it.

Lesson learned
kill the monster while it is little.
How long should you wait for 10 pips?

If you have used these settings you have seen how fast this thing can rack up the pips and recoup your loss.

^eagle^
12-11-2008, 05:44 PM
Looking back the trades I have had draw down are almost always the one before the european open.

I have adjusted my settings to have FAP stop when the scalper starts and vice versa.

If there is no big action during that time why let FAP trade?

Earl
12-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Eagle is ssssssssssssooooooooo right...he said to me and I will never forget!

"I am the pilot, not forexautopilot"
^eagle^

words to live buy...

as for MA21 I tried that it still took the same trade in the back test...LOL
some people just had the good sense to close it out

oofdah
12-11-2008, 10:06 PM
eagle-

I like your idea ofa "24 hour" stop loss. I agree... it shouldn't take long to make 10 pips. I too got slaughtered with 2 sells open @1.28. Closed out today for a loss of $7,000.

What stop time are you using?

maxfactor
12-11-2008, 10:41 PM
eagle-

I too got slaughtered with 2 sells open @1.28. Closed out today for a loss of $7,000.


Are you kidding me?:eek: Thats alot of dough to lose! :(

oofdah
12-12-2008, 01:48 AM
Are you kidding me?:eek: Thats alot of dough to lose! :(

Demo account my friend :D I let it ride for a while to see if it would turn around. In all actuality, I made $6500 so really my loss was only about $500.

I'll be a lot more conservative with real money, I just want to see all kinds of market conditions before I start plunking down the mortgage payment ;)

BidieFAP
12-12-2008, 03:01 AM
Supply and demand- that is the name of the game-

^eagle^
12-12-2008, 03:17 AM
eagle-

I like your idea ofa "24 hour" stop loss. I agree... it shouldn't take long to make 10 pips. I too got slaughtered with 2 sells open @1.28. Closed out today for a loss of $7,000.

What stop time are you using?


I use a stop time=30. this allows enough time for whipsaws to occur or to not have two trades left in the dust.

Currently have FAP turned off when scalper turns on. and tunred back on when scalper stops.

Currently I am sitting on 20% Draw down so price is getting better.

Mark, denver
12-12-2008, 03:57 PM
Thanks eagle,

Is there a way to set the 24 hour close on a trade, or just in on it and manually close the trade?
I will change MA=21
Yes I have seen this thing on fire. Mine caught 12 winners in a 24 peroid.
Thanks again for the help and shaing your experiences.

arto74
12-12-2008, 05:10 PM
i have a 5 digit broker. My T/P is 200 (other wise 20 for 4 digit brokers), and slipage is 30 (as opposed to 3 for 4 digit brokers)

maxfactor
12-12-2008, 05:14 PM
Straighthold Investment Group, Inc. Live Account.

Account:xxxxx Name: xxxx xxxxxx Currency: USD 2008 December 12, 22:54

27880615 2008.12.12 06:49 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3369 0.0000 1.3379 2008.12.12 07:06 1.3379 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27881618 2008.12.12 07:02 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3374 0.0000 1.3379 2008.12.12 07:06 1.3377 0.00 0.00 0.00 60.00
27891001 2008.12.12 09:56 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3276 0.0000 1.3286 2008.12.12 09:57 1.3286 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27891124 2008.12.12 09:57 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3289 0.0000 1.3299 2008.12.12 10:40 1.3299 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27893208 2008.12.12 10:40 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3297 0.0000 1.3307 2008.12.12 10:52 1.3307 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27894773 2008.12.12 11:14 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.3294 0.0000 1.3284 2008.12.12 13:01 1.3284 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27894819 2008.12.12 11:15 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3295 0.0000 1.3305 2008.12.12 11:20 1.3305 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27896925 2008.12.12 11:45 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3373 0.0000 1.3383 2008.12.12 15:41 1.3383 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27898396 2008.12.12 12:10 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3355 0.0000 1.3365 2008.12.12 14:33 1.3365 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27903973 2008.12.12 13:56 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3334 0.0000 1.3344 2008.12.12 14:25 1.3344 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27905340 2008.12.12 14:36 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3356 0.0000 1.3366 2008.12.12 15:25 1.3366 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27907228 2008.12.12 15:30 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3363 0.0000 1.3373 2008.12.12 15:32 1.3373 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27908548 2008.12.12 15:54 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3397 0.0000 1.3407 2008.12.12 15:55 1.3407 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27912366 2008.12.12 16:45 sell 0.20 usdchf 1.1756 0.0000 1.1746 2008.12.12 22:20 1.1746 0.00 0.00 0.00 17.03
27920475 2008.12.12 19:05 sell 0.20 usdchf 1.1795 0.0000 1.1785 2008.12.12 20:19 1.1785 0.00 0.00 0.00 16.97
27920481 2008.12.12 19:05 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3346 0.0000 1.3356 2008.12.12 19:36 1.3356 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27923095 2008.12.12 20:30 sell 0.20 usdchf 1.1784 0.0000 1.1774 2008.12.12 20:43 1.1774 0.00 0.00 0.00 16.99
27924015 2008.12.12 21:08 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3365 0.0000 1.3375 2008.12.12 21:29 1.3375 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27924904 2008.12.12 21:41 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3373 0.0000 1.3383 2008.12.12 22:38 1.3383 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
27925100 2008.12.12 21:50 sell 0.20 usdchf 1.1766 0.0000 1.1756 2008.12.12 22:18 1.1756 0.00 0.00 0.00 17.01

Closed P/L: 115 589.70 :D

^eagle^
12-12-2008, 06:02 PM
Thanks eagle,

Is there a way to set the 24 hour close on a trade, or just in on it and manually close the trade?
I will change MA=21
Yes I have seen this thing on fire. Mine caught 12 winners in a 24 peroid.
Thanks again for the help and shaing your experiences.


Yeah this is a manual override strategy.

If a trade lingers more than 24 hours move the TP to the nearest support/resistance level and cut your losses.

I wish I could code because I would add this to FAP along with my hedging strategy.

alan
12-13-2008, 03:18 PM
This could theoretically be done ;)

I also have some ideas on how to improve FAPS trend detection. I think just a simple MA is not enough. I'd like to implement a MA cross technique along with a support/resistence filter.

jefe
12-13-2008, 08:00 PM
I have been running an MA of 21 on 2 live accts for a couple of weeks...LOL... One thing I noticed the .09 over .05 on the slip??? the .05 has trades stuck at 1.28 LOL (yeah ---in this month???) the .09 acct doesn't have the same trades..

Also in retrospect/ reviewing the poor positions--after the trade, the chart fell to within the TP range but not through... A TS of 1 or 2 would have prevented the DD all together... I might try this week on one acct...

Otherwise these settings are pretty good... I could only run an LLR of 20 twice last week, but maybe that's twice too much... :)

UYG will be a good buy early this week...dump it after the FED interest rate decrease...

pipmyride
12-15-2008, 12:29 PM
eagle,

i have been demo'ing with your settings and all of a sudden today FAP has been getting me in duplicate trades at the same time? they are all winners, but any idea why??

^eagle^
12-15-2008, 12:35 PM
eagle,

i have been demo'ing with your settings and all of a sudden today FAP has been getting me in duplicate trades at the same time? they are all winners, but any idea why??

Either your stop time is incorrect or you are running two charts somehow. Either two charts on the same platform or the same chart on different computers. Could be dangerous if you go into drawdown.

Check that first and if that is not it remove the EA and close the platform and restart.

pipmyride
12-15-2008, 01:49 PM
figure it out. i logged in to my virtual server again, and since i have mt4 set to open at startup, i had 2 sessions running.

thanks

streakbreaker
12-16-2008, 10:47 PM
I am having the settings on demo on different timeframes, while i am at work and while i am at home.

work(12.00- 9.00 GMT) --- gained $3800 for 3 days on a $10,000 account
floating losses= -$726

after work, i leave the trades by themselves and turn the robot off. when i go back to work the next day, i am amazed to see almost all the open trades i left have gained

home(9.30-15.00 GMT) --- only gained $575 for 2 days, floating losses= -$1800

Maybe eagle's settings works better if started during asian session. just an observation. will keep the demo this way and trade live again next year.

pipmyride
12-17-2008, 09:25 AM
eagle, your settings are great. but i have one runaway sell at 3696 from yesterday and have been struggling mentally of when to close it. And if so, should i just put a stop loss setting from now on. but from what I just read from you, are you saying the best strategy is to just cut your losses after 24 hours?? to me i think i can live with that strategy more than putting SL's in.

maxfactor
12-17-2008, 04:54 PM
FXDD DEMO 3,000 ACCOUNT note this account was openend on the 11th of DEC 08 .

54673717 2008.12.17 04:02 buy 0.75 eurusd 1.4070 0.0000 1.4080 2008.12.17 04:39 1.4080 0.00 0.00 0.00 75.00
54674203 2008.12.17 04:06 sell 0.98 usdchf 1.1197 0.0000 1.1187 2008.12.17 04:42 1.1187 0.00 0.00 0.00 87.60
54678762 2008.12.17 04:55 sell 1.08 usdchf 1.1171 0.0000 1.1161 2008.12.17 06:38 1.1161 0.00 0.00 0.00 96.77
54678773 2008.12.17 04:55 buy 0.71 eurusd 1.4091 0.0000 1.4101 2008.12.17 06:12 1.4101 0.00 0.00 0.00 71.00
54680046 2008.12.17 05:15 buy 0.65 eurusd 1.4086 0.0000 1.4096 2008.12.17 06:11 1.4096 0.00 0.00 0.00 65.00
54683494 2008.12.17 06:06 buy 0.59 eurusd 1.4086 0.0000 1.4096 2008.12.17 06:11 1.4096 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.00
54684258 2008.12.17 06:12 buy 0.73 eurusd 1.4103 0.0000 1.4113 2008.12.17 06:15 1.4113 0.00 0.00 0.00 73.00
54685768 2008.12.17 06:21 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4115 0.0000 1.4125 2008.12.17 06:40 1.4125 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54685784 2008.12.17 06:21 sell 0.97 usdchf 1.1167 0.0000 1.1157 2008.12.17 06:39 1.1157 0.00 0.00 0.00 86.94
54689007 2008.12.17 06:45 sell 1.15 usdchf 1.1145 0.0000 1.1135 2008.12.17 06:51 1.1135 0.00 0.00 0.00 103.28
54713942 2008.12.17 08:56 buy 0.83 eurusd 1.4066 0.0000 1.4076 2008.12.17 09:54 1.4076 0.00 0.00 0.00 83.00
54714161 2008.12.17 08:58 sell 1.09 usdjpy 88.78 0.00 88.68 2008.12.17 09:27 88.68 0.00 0.00 0.00 122.91
54720674 2008.12.17 09:35 sell 1.06 usdjpy 88.56 0.00 88.46 2008.12.17 10:23 88.46 0.00 0.00 0.00 119.83
54726507 2008.12.17 10:00 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4080 0.0000 1.4090 2008.12.17 10:13 1.4090 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54734595 2008.12.17 10:27 sell 1.22 usdjpy 88.47 0.00 88.37 2008.12.17 10:31 88.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 138.06
54734823 2008.12.17 10:28 sell 1.13 usdchf 1.1132 0.0000 1.1122 2008.12.17 12:26 1.1122 0.00 0.00 0.00 101.60
54734834 2008.12.17 10:28 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4141 0.0000 1.4151 2008.12.17 10:33 1.4151 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54736858 2008.12.17 10:37 sell 1.17 usdjpy 88.39 0.00 88.29 2008.12.17 11:08 88.29 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.52
54738993 2008.12.17 10:50 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4115 0.0000 1.4125 2008.12.17 11:09 1.4125 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54743362 2008.12.17 11:15 buy 0.84 eurusd 1.4124 0.0000 1.4134 2008.12.17 16:14 1.4134 0.00 0.00 0.00 84.00
54743400 2008.12.17 11:15 sell 1.10 usdchf 1.1141 0.0000 1.1131 2008.12.17 12:24 1.1131 0.00 0.00 0.00 98.82
54743732 2008.12.17 11:16 sell 0.96 usdjpy 88.25 0.00 88.15 2008.12.17 16:17 88.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.91
54745624 2008.12.17 11:30 buy 0.68 eurusd 1.4126 0.0000 1.4136 2008.12.17 16:14 1.4136 0.00 0.00 0.00 68.00
54756140 2008.12.17 12:33 sell 0.96 usdchf 1.1129 0.0000 1.1119 2008.12.17 12:36 1.1119 0.00 0.00 0.00 86.34
54758191 2008.12.17 12:45 sell 1.07 usdjpy 88.37 0.00 88.27 2008.12.17 16:15 88.27 0.00 0.00 0.00 121.22
54765483 2008.12.17 13:42 sell 0.95 usdjpy 88.46 0.00 88.36 2008.12.17 14:06 88.36 0.00 0.00 0.00 107.51
54783121 2008.12.17 15:08 sell 0.86 usdchf 1.1124 0.0000 1.1114 2008.12.17 15:16 1.1114 0.00 0.00 0.00 77.38
54783291 2008.12.17 15:09 buy 0.55 eurusd 1.4055 0.0000 1.4065 2008.12.17 15:15 1.4065 0.00 0.00 0.00 55.00
54784493 2008.12.17 15:16 sell 0.84 usdjpy 88.44 0.00 88.34 2008.12.17 16:14 88.34 0.00 0.00 0.00 95.09
54787610 2008.12.17 15:27 sell 0.91 usdchf 1.1091 0.0000 1.1081 2008.12.17 15:31 1.1081 0.00 0.00 0.00 82.12
54789416 2008.12.17 15:35 sell 0.88 usdchf 1.1077 0.0000 1.1067 2008.12.17 15:48 1.1067 0.00 0.00 0.00 79.52
54793369 2008.12.17 15:54 sell 0.95 usdchf 1.1069 0.0000 1.1059 2008.12.17 16:02 1.1059 0.00 0.00 0.00 85.90
54793801 2008.12.17 15:57 buy 0.62 eurusd 1.4108 0.0000 1.4118 2008.12.17 16:10 1.4118 0.00 0.00 0.00 62.00
54794710 2008.12.17 16:02 sell 0.89 usdchf 1.1059 0.0000 1.1049 2008.12.17 16:14 1.1049 0.00 0.00 0.00 80.55
54800851 2008.12.17 16:24 sell 1.47 usdjpy 88.12 0.00 88.02 2008.12.17 16:30 88.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 167.01
54801441 2008.12.17 16:27 buy 0.96 eurusd 1.4152 0.0000 1.4162 2008.12.17 16:30 1.4162 0.00 0.00 0.00 96.00
54807883 2008.12.17 16:41 sell 1.50 usdchf 1.0916 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.18 00:40 1.0729 0.00 0.00 -6.93 2 614.41
54807907 2008.12.17 16:41 buy 0.98 eurusd 1.4218 0.0000 1.4228 2008.12.17 16:43 1.4228 0.00 0.00 0.00 98.00
54812604 2008.12.17 16:50 sell 1.41 usdjpy 87.86 0.00 87.76 2008.12.17 16:57 87.76 0.00 0.00 0.00 160.67
54812622 2008.12.17 16:50 buy 0.92 eurusd 1.4244 0.0000 1.4254 2008.12.17 16:55 1.4254 0.00 0.00 0.00 92.00
54823198 2008.12.17 17:08 buy 1.13 eurusd 1.4355 0.0000 1.4365 2008.12.17 17:09 1.4365 0.00 0.00 0.00 113.00
54823680 2008.12.17 17:09 buy 1.15 eurusd 1.4371 0.0000 1.4381 2008.12.17 17:10 1.4381 0.00 0.00 0.00 115.00
54823772 2008.12.17 17:10 sell 1.53 usdjpy 87.42 0.00 87.32 2008.12.17 17:10 87.32 0.00 0.00 0.00 175.22
54830369 2008.12.17 17:19 buy 1.11 eurusd 1.4402 0.0000 1.4412 2008.12.17 22:47 1.4412 0.00 0.00 0.00 111.00
54843336 2008.12.17 18:00 buy 0.75 eurusd 1.4324 0.0000 1.4334 2008.12.17 18:01 1.4334 0.00 0.00 0.00 75.00
54853749 2008.12.17 18:35 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4328 0.0000 1.4338 2008.12.17 18:47 1.4338 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54858330 2008.12.17 19:00 sell 1.18 usdchf 1.0851 0.0000 1.0841 2008.12.17 19:01 1.0841 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.85
54858570 2008.12.17 19:01 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 19:03 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54863545 2008.12.17 19:55 buy 0.88 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 20:09 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 88.00
54865670 2008.12.17 20:08 sell 1.22 usdjpy 87.79 0.00 87.69 2008.12.17 22:20 87.69 0.00 0.00 0.00 139.13
54871759 2008.12.17 20:47 sell 1.15 usdchf 1.0784 0.0000 1.0774 2008.12.17 21:17 1.0774 0.00 0.00 0.00 106.74
54871768 2008.12.17 20:47 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4347 0.0000 1.4357 2008.12.17 21:16 1.4357 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54873390 2008.12.17 21:01 sell 0.92 usdjpy 87.97 0.00 87.87 2008.12.17 21:30 87.87 0.00 0.00 0.00 104.70
54875347 2008.12.17 21:17 sell 1.21 usdchf 1.0771 0.0000 1.0761 2008.12.17 22:19 1.0761 0.00 0.00 0.00 112.44
54876413 2008.12.17 21:25 buy 0.76 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 22:20 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 76.00
54878087 2008.12.17 21:38 sell 1.00 usdjpy 87.82 0.00 87.72 2008.12.17 22:20 87.72 0.00 0.00 0.00 114.00
54881605 2008.12.17 22:11 buy 0.70 eurusd 1.4349 0.0000 1.4359 2008.12.17 22:19 1.4359 0.00 0.00 0.00 70.00
54883515 2008.12.17 22:29 sell 1.59 usdjpy 87.59 0.00 87.49 2008.12.17 22:37 87.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 181.74
54883527 2008.12.17 22:29 sell 1.47 usdchf 1.0754 0.0000 1.0744 2008.12.17 22:45 1.0744 0.00 0.00 0.00 136.82
54884470 2008.12.17 22:40 buy 1.08 eurusd 1.4369 0.0000 1.4379 2008.12.17 22:45 1.4379 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.00
54887399 2008.12.17 22:59 buy 1.32 eurusd 1.4391 0.0000 1.4401 2008.12.17 23:03 1.4401 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.00
54887416 2008.12.17 22:59 sell 1.77 usdjpy 87.39 0.00 87.29 2008.12.17 23:38 87.29 0.00 0.00 0.00 202.77
54891398 2008.12.17 23:13 buy 1.25 eurusd 1.4399 0.0000 1.4409 2008.12.17 23:13 1.4409 0.00 0.00 0.00 125.00
54891593 2008.12.17 23:14 buy 1.26 eurusd 1.4411 0.0000 1.4421 2008.12.17 23:58 1.4421 0.00 0.00 0.00 126.00
54895957 2008.12.17 23:40 buy 1.32 eurusd 1.4406 0.0000 1.4416 2008.12.17 23:55 1.4416 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.00
0.00 0.00 7.36 13 908.92
Closed P/L: 13 916.28
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
54824692 2008.12.17 17:11 sell 1.77 usdjpy 87.28 0.00 87.18 87.44 0.00 0.00 0.00 -323.88
54898646 2008.12.18 00:18 buy 1.43 eurusd 1.4424 0.0000 1.4434 1.4407 0.00 0.00 0.00 -243.10
0.00 0.00 0.00 -566.98
Floating P/L: -566.98
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 3 000.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 13 916.28 Floating P/L: -566.98 Margin: 1 916.32
Balance: 16 916.28 Equity: 16 349.30 Free Margin: 14 432.98

pipmyride
12-17-2008, 07:16 PM
and max you're using eagles settings?? no tweaks or anything to make them work on the other pairs?

Nelstradamus
12-17-2008, 07:34 PM
FXDD DEMO 3,000 ACCOUNT note this account was openend on the 11th of DEC 08 .

54673717 2008.12.17 04:02 buy 0.75 eurusd 1.4070 0.0000 1.4080 2008.12.17 04:39 1.4080 0.00 0.00 0.00 75.00
54674203 2008.12.17 04:06 sell 0.98 usdchf 1.1197 0.0000 1.1187 2008.12.17 04:42 1.1187 0.00 0.00 0.00 87.60
54678762 2008.12.17 04:55 sell 1.08 usdchf 1.1171 0.0000 1.1161 2008.12.17 06:38 1.1161 0.00 0.00 0.00 96.77
54678773 2008.12.17 04:55 buy 0.71 eurusd 1.4091 0.0000 1.4101 2008.12.17 06:12 1.4101 0.00 0.00 0.00 71.00
54680046 2008.12.17 05:15 buy 0.65 eurusd 1.4086 0.0000 1.4096 2008.12.17 06:11 1.4096 0.00 0.00 0.00 65.00
54683494 2008.12.17 06:06 buy 0.59 eurusd 1.4086 0.0000 1.4096 2008.12.17 06:11 1.4096 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.00
54684258 2008.12.17 06:12 buy 0.73 eurusd 1.4103 0.0000 1.4113 2008.12.17 06:15 1.4113 0.00 0.00 0.00 73.00
54685768 2008.12.17 06:21 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4115 0.0000 1.4125 2008.12.17 06:40 1.4125 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54685784 2008.12.17 06:21 sell 0.97 usdchf 1.1167 0.0000 1.1157 2008.12.17 06:39 1.1157 0.00 0.00 0.00 86.94
54689007 2008.12.17 06:45 sell 1.15 usdchf 1.1145 0.0000 1.1135 2008.12.17 06:51 1.1135 0.00 0.00 0.00 103.28
54713942 2008.12.17 08:56 buy 0.83 eurusd 1.4066 0.0000 1.4076 2008.12.17 09:54 1.4076 0.00 0.00 0.00 83.00
54714161 2008.12.17 08:58 sell 1.09 usdjpy 88.78 0.00 88.68 2008.12.17 09:27 88.68 0.00 0.00 0.00 122.91
54720674 2008.12.17 09:35 sell 1.06 usdjpy 88.56 0.00 88.46 2008.12.17 10:23 88.46 0.00 0.00 0.00 119.83
54726507 2008.12.17 10:00 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4080 0.0000 1.4090 2008.12.17 10:13 1.4090 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54734595 2008.12.17 10:27 sell 1.22 usdjpy 88.47 0.00 88.37 2008.12.17 10:31 88.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 138.06
54734823 2008.12.17 10:28 sell 1.13 usdchf 1.1132 0.0000 1.1122 2008.12.17 12:26 1.1122 0.00 0.00 0.00 101.60
54734834 2008.12.17 10:28 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4141 0.0000 1.4151 2008.12.17 10:33 1.4151 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54736858 2008.12.17 10:37 sell 1.17 usdjpy 88.39 0.00 88.29 2008.12.17 11:08 88.29 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.52
54738993 2008.12.17 10:50 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4115 0.0000 1.4125 2008.12.17 11:09 1.4125 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54743362 2008.12.17 11:15 buy 0.84 eurusd 1.4124 0.0000 1.4134 2008.12.17 16:14 1.4134 0.00 0.00 0.00 84.00
54743400 2008.12.17 11:15 sell 1.10 usdchf 1.1141 0.0000 1.1131 2008.12.17 12:24 1.1131 0.00 0.00 0.00 98.82
54743732 2008.12.17 11:16 sell 0.96 usdjpy 88.25 0.00 88.15 2008.12.17 16:17 88.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.91
54745624 2008.12.17 11:30 buy 0.68 eurusd 1.4126 0.0000 1.4136 2008.12.17 16:14 1.4136 0.00 0.00 0.00 68.00
54756140 2008.12.17 12:33 sell 0.96 usdchf 1.1129 0.0000 1.1119 2008.12.17 12:36 1.1119 0.00 0.00 0.00 86.34
54758191 2008.12.17 12:45 sell 1.07 usdjpy 88.37 0.00 88.27 2008.12.17 16:15 88.27 0.00 0.00 0.00 121.22
54765483 2008.12.17 13:42 sell 0.95 usdjpy 88.46 0.00 88.36 2008.12.17 14:06 88.36 0.00 0.00 0.00 107.51
54783121 2008.12.17 15:08 sell 0.86 usdchf 1.1124 0.0000 1.1114 2008.12.17 15:16 1.1114 0.00 0.00 0.00 77.38
54783291 2008.12.17 15:09 buy 0.55 eurusd 1.4055 0.0000 1.4065 2008.12.17 15:15 1.4065 0.00 0.00 0.00 55.00
54784493 2008.12.17 15:16 sell 0.84 usdjpy 88.44 0.00 88.34 2008.12.17 16:14 88.34 0.00 0.00 0.00 95.09
54787610 2008.12.17 15:27 sell 0.91 usdchf 1.1091 0.0000 1.1081 2008.12.17 15:31 1.1081 0.00 0.00 0.00 82.12
54789416 2008.12.17 15:35 sell 0.88 usdchf 1.1077 0.0000 1.1067 2008.12.17 15:48 1.1067 0.00 0.00 0.00 79.52
54793369 2008.12.17 15:54 sell 0.95 usdchf 1.1069 0.0000 1.1059 2008.12.17 16:02 1.1059 0.00 0.00 0.00 85.90
54793801 2008.12.17 15:57 buy 0.62 eurusd 1.4108 0.0000 1.4118 2008.12.17 16:10 1.4118 0.00 0.00 0.00 62.00
54794710 2008.12.17 16:02 sell 0.89 usdchf 1.1059 0.0000 1.1049 2008.12.17 16:14 1.1049 0.00 0.00 0.00 80.55
54800851 2008.12.17 16:24 sell 1.47 usdjpy 88.12 0.00 88.02 2008.12.17 16:30 88.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 167.01
54801441 2008.12.17 16:27 buy 0.96 eurusd 1.4152 0.0000 1.4162 2008.12.17 16:30 1.4162 0.00 0.00 0.00 96.00
54807883 2008.12.17 16:41 sell 1.50 usdchf 1.0916 0.0000 0.0000 2008.12.18 00:40 1.0729 0.00 0.00 -6.93 2 614.41
54807907 2008.12.17 16:41 buy 0.98 eurusd 1.4218 0.0000 1.4228 2008.12.17 16:43 1.4228 0.00 0.00 0.00 98.00
54812604 2008.12.17 16:50 sell 1.41 usdjpy 87.86 0.00 87.76 2008.12.17 16:57 87.76 0.00 0.00 0.00 160.67
54812622 2008.12.17 16:50 buy 0.92 eurusd 1.4244 0.0000 1.4254 2008.12.17 16:55 1.4254 0.00 0.00 0.00 92.00
54823198 2008.12.17 17:08 buy 1.13 eurusd 1.4355 0.0000 1.4365 2008.12.17 17:09 1.4365 0.00 0.00 0.00 113.00
54823680 2008.12.17 17:09 buy 1.15 eurusd 1.4371 0.0000 1.4381 2008.12.17 17:10 1.4381 0.00 0.00 0.00 115.00
54823772 2008.12.17 17:10 sell 1.53 usdjpy 87.42 0.00 87.32 2008.12.17 17:10 87.32 0.00 0.00 0.00 175.22
54830369 2008.12.17 17:19 buy 1.11 eurusd 1.4402 0.0000 1.4412 2008.12.17 22:47 1.4412 0.00 0.00 0.00 111.00
54843336 2008.12.17 18:00 buy 0.75 eurusd 1.4324 0.0000 1.4334 2008.12.17 18:01 1.4334 0.00 0.00 0.00 75.00
54853749 2008.12.17 18:35 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4328 0.0000 1.4338 2008.12.17 18:47 1.4338 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54858330 2008.12.17 19:00 sell 1.18 usdchf 1.0851 0.0000 1.0841 2008.12.17 19:01 1.0841 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.85
54858570 2008.12.17 19:01 buy 0.78 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 19:03 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 78.00
54863545 2008.12.17 19:55 buy 0.88 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 20:09 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 88.00
54865670 2008.12.17 20:08 sell 1.22 usdjpy 87.79 0.00 87.69 2008.12.17 22:20 87.69 0.00 0.00 0.00 139.13
54871759 2008.12.17 20:47 sell 1.15 usdchf 1.0784 0.0000 1.0774 2008.12.17 21:17 1.0774 0.00 0.00 0.00 106.74
54871768 2008.12.17 20:47 buy 0.74 eurusd 1.4347 0.0000 1.4357 2008.12.17 21:16 1.4357 0.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
54873390 2008.12.17 21:01 sell 0.92 usdjpy 87.97 0.00 87.87 2008.12.17 21:30 87.87 0.00 0.00 0.00 104.70
54875347 2008.12.17 21:17 sell 1.21 usdchf 1.0771 0.0000 1.0761 2008.12.17 22:19 1.0761 0.00 0.00 0.00 112.44
54876413 2008.12.17 21:25 buy 0.76 eurusd 1.4356 0.0000 1.4366 2008.12.17 22:20 1.4366 0.00 0.00 0.00 76.00
54878087 2008.12.17 21:38 sell 1.00 usdjpy 87.82 0.00 87.72 2008.12.17 22:20 87.72 0.00 0.00 0.00 114.00
54881605 2008.12.17 22:11 buy 0.70 eurusd 1.4349 0.0000 1.4359 2008.12.17 22:19 1.4359 0.00 0.00 0.00 70.00
54883515 2008.12.17 22:29 sell 1.59 usdjpy 87.59 0.00 87.49 2008.12.17 22:37 87.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 181.74
54883527 2008.12.17 22:29 sell 1.47 usdchf 1.0754 0.0000 1.0744 2008.12.17 22:45 1.0744 0.00 0.00 0.00 136.82
54884470 2008.12.17 22:40 buy 1.08 eurusd 1.4369 0.0000 1.4379 2008.12.17 22:45 1.4379 0.00 0.00 0.00 108.00
54887399 2008.12.17 22:59 buy 1.32 eurusd 1.4391 0.0000 1.4401 2008.12.17 23:03 1.4401 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.00
54887416 2008.12.17 22:59 sell 1.77 usdjpy 87.39 0.00 87.29 2008.12.17 23:38 87.29 0.00 0.00 0.00 202.77
54891398 2008.12.17 23:13 buy 1.25 eurusd 1.4399 0.0000 1.4409 2008.12.17 23:13 1.4409 0.00 0.00 0.00 125.00
54891593 2008.12.17 23:14 buy 1.26 eurusd 1.4411 0.0000 1.4421 2008.12.17 23:58 1.4421 0.00 0.00 0.00 126.00
54895957 2008.12.17 23:40 buy 1.32 eurusd 1.4406 0.0000 1.4416 2008.12.17 23:55 1.4416 0.00 0.00 0.00 132.00
0.00 0.00 7.36 13 908.92
Closed P/L: 13 916.28
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
54824692 2008.12.17 17:11 sell 1.77 usdjpy 87.28 0.00 87.18 87.44 0.00 0.00 0.00 -323.88
54898646 2008.12.18 00:18 buy 1.43 eurusd 1.4424 0.0000 1.4434 1.4407 0.00 0.00 0.00 -243.10
0.00 0.00 0.00 -566.98
Floating P/L: -566.98
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions

Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 3 000.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 13 916.28 Floating P/L: -566.98 Margin: 1 916.32
Balance: 16 916.28 Equity: 16 349.30 Free Margin: 14 432.98

Maxfactor, although we can all admire and dream that a live account would do so well the reality is that this would NEVER happen in a live account. Demo accounts are learning tools, Live accounts are for the harsh reality that it's far easier to lose your money than it is to make it.

streakbreaker
12-17-2008, 07:44 PM
40290279 2008.12.17 06:56 sell 0.37 usdchf 1.1204 1.0739 0.0000 2008.12.18 01:37 1.0735 0.00 0.00 -7.49 1 616.49
231313
40290304 2008.12.17 06:57 buy 0.36 eurusd 1.4065 1.4417 0.0000 2008.12.18 01:26 1.4427 0.00 0.00 1.51 1 303.20
231313
40258923 2008.12.17 04:57 buy 0.45 eurgbp 0.9023 0.9286 0.0000 2008.12.18 01:26 0.9299 0.00 0.00 -8.02 1 926.09
231313
40234851 2008.12.17 03:26 buy 0.39 usdjpy 88.98 0.00 89.08 2008.12.18 01:25 87.60 0.00 0.00 -2.20 -614.38
231313
40261605 2008.12.17 05:00 sell 0.43 usdcad 1.1962 0.0000 1.1952 2008.12.17 19:21 1.1952 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.98
231313 [tp]
40271309 2008.12.17 05:39 buy 0.37 audusd 0.6990 0.0000 0.7000 2008.12.17 15:02 0.7000 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.00
231313 [tp]
40276677 2008.12.17 06:07 buy 0.38 audusd 0.6983 0.0000 0.6993 2008.12.17 14:58 0.6993 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.00
231313 [tp]
40258968 2008.12.17 04:57 buy 0.43 nzdusd 0.5847 0.0000 0.5857 2008.12.17 14:34 0.5857 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.00
231313 [tp]
40297522 2008.12.17 07:16 buy 0.30 nzdusd 0.5835 0.0000 0.5845 2008.12.17 14:18 0.5845 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.00
231313 [tp]
40258933 2008.12.17 04:57 sell 0.43 usdjpy 88.27 0.00 88.17 2008.12.17 14:17 88.17 0.00 0.00 0.00 48.77
231313 [tp]
40228862 2008.12.17 02:36 buy 0.37 chfjpy 79.56 0.00 79.66 2008.12.17 10:40 79.66 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.84
231313 [tp]
40303231 2008.12.17 07:35 sell 0.32 usdjpy 88.54 0.00 88.44 2008.12.17 08:23 88.44 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.18
231313 [tp]
40276377 2008.12.17 06:04 buy 0.40 chfjpy 79.49 0.00 79.59 2008.12.17 08:22 79.59 0.00 0.00 0.00 45.20
231313 [tp]
40276442 2008.12.17 06:05 buy 0.39 eurjpy 125.16 0.00 125.26 2008.12.17 08:21 125.26 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.03
231313 [tp]
40304129 2008.12.17 07:39 sell 0.32 gbpjpy 138.03 0.00 137.93 2008.12.17 08:08 137.93 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.08
231313 [tp]
40238211 2008.12.17 03:59 buy 0.38 eurgbp 0.9024 0.0000 0.9034 2008.12.17 08:07 0.9034 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.15
231313 [tp]
40243021 2008.12.17 04:25 buy 0.38 eurgbp 0.9022 0.0000 0.9032 2008.12.17 08:07 0.9032 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.15
231313 [tp]
40226687 2008.12.17 02:09 buy 0.40 eurgbp 0.9022 0.0000 0.9032 2008.12.17 08:07 0.9032 0.00 0.00 0.00 62.27
231313 [tp]
40303131 2008.12.17 07:35 buy 0.33 eurgbp 0.9010 0.0000 0.9020 2008.12.17 07:58 0.9020 0.00 0.00 0.00 51.53
231313 [tp]

streakbreaker
12-17-2008, 07:45 PM
40301377 2008.12.17 07:31 buy 0.36 gbpusd 1.5622 0.0000 1.5632 2008.12.17 07:52 1.5632 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
40300353 2008.12.17 07:28 sell 0.36 eurchf 1.5763 0.0000 1.5753 2008.12.17 07:41 1.5753 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.03
231313 [tp]
40301409 2008.12.17 07:31 buy 0.35 usdcad 1.1995 0.0000 1.2005 2008.12.17 07:41 1.2005 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.15
231313 [tp]
40292679 2008.12.17 07:04 sell 0.34 eurchf 1.5765 0.0000 1.5755 2008.12.17 07:40 1.5755 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.25
231313 [tp]
40299261 2008.12.17 07:23 buy 0.32 usdchf 1.1226 0.0000 1.1236 2008.12.17 07:36 1.1236 0.00 0.00 0.00 28.48
231313 [tp]
40266912 2008.12.17 05:15 sell 0.42 gbpjpy 138.32 0.00 138.22 2008.12.17 07:29 138.22 0.00 0.00 0.00 47.43
231313 [tp]
40287550 2008.12.17 06:43 sell 0.37 gbpjpy 138.58 0.00 138.48 2008.12.17 07:27 138.48 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.72
231313 [tp]
40291617 2008.12.17 07:01 buy 0.33 gbpusd 1.5619 0.0000 1.5629 2008.12.17 07:26 1.5629 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.00
231313 [tp]
40290582 2008.12.17 06:57 sell 0.36 usdjpy 88.78 0.00 88.68 2008.12.17 07:26 88.68 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.60
231313 [tp]
40299408 2008.12.17 07:24 sell 0.33 gbpjpy 138.60 0.00 138.50 2008.12.17 07:25 138.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.20
231313 [tp]
40292397 2008.12.17 07:03 buy 0.34 audusd 0.6954 0.0000 0.6964 2008.12.17 07:21 0.6964 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.00
231313 [tp]
40282842 2008.12.17 06:21 sell 0.37 gbpjpy 138.65 0.00 138.55 2008.12.17 06:44 138.55 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.66
231313 [tp]
40268142 2008.12.17 05:22 buy 0.39 eurchf 1.5762 0.0000 1.5772 2008.12.17 06:41 1.5772 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.77
231313 [tp]
40282878 2008.12.17 06:21 buy 0.36 usdchf 1.1203 0.0000 1.1213 2008.12.17 06:36 1.1213 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.11
231313 [tp]
40234136 2008.12.17 03:16 sell 0.39 gbpusd 1.5617 0.0000 1.5607 2008.12.17 06:13 1.5607 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40238741 2008.12.17 04:04 buy 0.37 usdchf 1.1193 0.0000 1.1203 2008.12.17 06:13 1.1203 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.03
231313 [tp]
40270671 2008.12.17 05:35 buy 0.38 chfjpy 79.39 0.00 79.49 2008.12.17 05:59 79.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.81
231313 [tp]
40270292 2008.12.17 05:33 buy 0.39 eurjpy 125.07 0.00 125.17 2008.12.17 05:59 125.17 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.95
231313 [tp]
40274246 2008.12.17 05:52 buy 0.38 gbpjpy 138.61 0.00 138.71 2008.12.17 05:55 138.71 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.83
231313 [tp]
40244391 2008.12.17 04:35 buy 0.41 usdchf 1.1170 0.0000 1.1180 2008.12.17 05:48 1.1180 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.67
231313 [tp]
40267955 2008.12.17 05:21 buy 0.40 usdchf 1.1168 0.0000 1.1178 2008.12.17 05:48 1.1178 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.78
231313 [tp]
40243373 2008.12.17 04:27 buy 0.43 eurjpy 125.10 0.00 125.20 2008.12.17 04:53 125.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 48.73
231313 [tp]
40253206 2008.12.17 04:51 sell 0.44 usdcad 1.1971 0.0000 1.1961 2008.12.17 04:53 1.1961 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.79
231313 [tp]
40253385 2008.12.17 04:52 buy 0.43 gbpusd 1.5693 0.0000 1.5703 2008.12.17 04:53 1.5703 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.00
231313 [tp]
40248435 2008.12.17 04:45 buy 0.44 nzdusd 0.5825 0.0000 0.5835 2008.12.17 04:50 0.5835 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.00
231313 [tp]
40242995 2008.12.17 04:25 sell 0.39 usdjpy 88.62 0.00 88.52 2008.12.17 04:45 88.52 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.06
231313 [tp]

streakbreaker
12-17-2008, 07:45 PM
40243004 2008.12.17 04:25 sell 0.39 usdcad 1.1998 0.0000 1.1988 2008.12.17 04:43 1.1988 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.53
231313 [tp]
40242564 2008.12.17 04:22 buy 0.39 eurusd 1.4114 0.0000 1.4124 2008.12.17 04:40 1.4124 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40243634 2008.12.17 04:29 buy 0.42 gbpusd 1.5639 0.0000 1.5649 2008.12.17 04:38 1.5649 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.00
231313 [tp]
40235720 2008.12.17 03:37 buy 0.39 nzdusd 0.5815 0.0000 0.5825 2008.12.17 04:36 0.5825 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40242540 2008.12.17 04:22 buy 0.40 nzdusd 0.5812 0.0000 0.5822 2008.12.17 04:36 0.5822 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
231313 [tp]
40225909 2008.12.17 02:02 buy 0.42 eurusd 1.4069 1.4100 0.0000 2008.12.17 04:25 1.4113 0.00 0.00 0.00 184.80
231313
40217379 2008.12.17 01:02 buy 0.46 eurchf 1.5761 0.0000 1.5771 2008.12.17 04:25 1.5771 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.17
231313 [tp]
40224331 2008.12.17 01:54 buy 0.45 eurchf 1.5761 0.0000 1.5771 2008.12.17 04:25 1.5771 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.27
231313 [tp]
40239471 2008.12.17 04:10 buy 0.36 eurchf 1.5761 0.0000 1.5771 2008.12.17 04:25 1.5771 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.22
231313 [tp]
40234645 2008.12.17 03:24 buy 0.39 audusd 0.6969 0.0000 0.6979 2008.12.17 04:25 0.6979 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40231399 2008.12.17 02:49 buy 0.42 audusd 0.6965 0.0000 0.6975 2008.12.17 04:25 0.6975 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.00
231313 [tp]
40227248 2008.12.17 02:15 buy 0.38 eurchf 1.5756 0.0000 1.5766 2008.12.17 04:22 1.5766 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.02
231313 [tp]
40235856 2008.12.17 03:38 sell 0.38 usdcad 1.2010 0.0000 1.2000 2008.12.17 04:14 1.2000 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.67
231313 [tp]
40235996 2008.12.17 03:39 buy 0.38 gbpusd 1.5623 0.0000 1.5633 2008.12.17 04:14 1.5633 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.00
231313 [tp]
40231620 2008.12.17 02:52 buy 0.40 gbpusd 1.5621 0.0000 1.5631 2008.12.17 04:13 1.5631 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
231313 [tp]
40231845 2008.12.17 02:53 buy 0.39 eurusd 1.4093 0.0000 1.4103 2008.12.17 04:13 1.4103 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40237704 2008.12.17 03:55 sell 0.37 gbpjpy 138.59 0.00 138.49 2008.12.17 04:11 138.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.74
231313 [tp]
40237603 2008.12.17 03:54 sell 0.37 usdjpy 88.78 0.00 88.68 2008.12.17 04:07 88.68 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.72
231313 [tp]
40233819 2008.12.17 03:12 buy 0.38 usdchf 1.1180 0.0000 1.1190 2008.12.17 03:58 1.1190 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.96
231313 [tp]
40233812 2008.12.17 03:12 sell 0.39 chfjpy 79.58 0.00 79.48 2008.12.17 03:44 79.48 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.91
231313 [tp]
40225656 2008.12.17 02:00 sell 0.44 usdjpy 88.92 0.00 88.82 2008.12.17 03:44 88.82 0.00 0.00 0.00 49.54
231313 [tp]
40231480 2008.12.17 02:50 sell 0.41 eurjpy 125.33 0.00 125.23 2008.12.17 03:38 125.23 0.00 0.00 0.00 46.12
231313 [tp]
40229296 2008.12.17 02:39 sell 0.38 usdcad 1.2021 0.0000 1.2011 2008.12.17 03:24 1.2011 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.64
231313 [tp]
40231144 2008.12.17 02:47 buy 0.42 nzdusd 0.5799 0.0000 0.5809 2008.12.17 03:14 0.5809 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.00
231313 [tp]
40228622 2008.12.17 02:33 buy 0.38 eurjpy 125.28 0.00 125.38 2008.12.17 02:48 125.38 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.70
231313 [tp]
40225963 2008.12.17 02:03 buy 0.42 chfjpy 79.53 0.00 79.63 2008.12.17 02:47 79.63 0.00 0.00 0.00 47.19
231313 [tp]
40220623 2008.12.17 01:31 buy 0.44 chfjpy 79.54 0.00 79.64 2008.12.17 02:47 79.64 0.00 0.00 0.00 49.43
231313 [tp]
40228612 2008.12.17 02:33 buy 0.39 gbpusd 1.5609 0.0000 1.5619 2008.12.17 02:42 1.5619 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
40227947 2008.12.17 02:26 sell 0.38 usdchf 1.1195 0.0000 1.1185 2008.12.17 02:42 1.1185 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.97
231313 [tp]
40225899 2008.12.17 02:02 sell 0.43 usdchf 1.1196 0.0000 1.1186 2008.12.17 02:42 1.1186 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.44
231313 [tp]
40225394 2008.12.17 01:59 buy 0.45 audusd 0.6954 0.0000 0.6964 2008.12.17 02:39 0.6964 0.00 0.00 0.00 45.00
231313 [tp]
40226025 2008.12.17 02:03 buy 0.41 eurjpy 125.23 0.00 125.33 2008.12.17 02:30 125.33 0.00 0.00 0.00 46.03
231313 [tp]
40226251 2008.12.17 02:05 buy 0.40 gbpusd 1.5595 0.0000 1.5605 2008.12.17 02:25 1.5605 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
231313 [tp]
40217364 2008.12.17 01:01 buy 0.47 gbpusd 1.5591 0.0000 1.5601 2008.12.17 01:54 1.5601 0.00 0.00 0.00 47.00
231313 [tp]
40221151 2008.12.17 01:34 buy 0.45 audusd 0.6928 0.0000 0.6938 2008.12.17 01:52 0.6938 0.00 0.00 0.00 45.00
231313 [tp]
40218394 2008.12.17 01:11 buy 0.45 eurjpy 125.17 0.00 125.27 2008.12.17 01:32 125.27 0.00 0.00 0.00 50.49
231313 [tp]
40216203 2008.12.17 00:55 buy 0.48 chfjpy 79.41 0.00 79.51 2008.12.17 01:32 79.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 53.85
231313 [tp]
39876718 2008.12.16 07:40 buy 0.33 usdchf 1.1578 0.0000 1.1588 2008.12.17 00:54 1.1209 0.00 0.00 -0.08 -1 086.36
231313
39864887 2008.12.16 06:39 buy 0.36 eurgbp 0.8974 0.0000 0.8984 2008.12.16 15:21 0.8984 0.00 0.00 0.00 55.17
231313 [tp]
39871567 2008.12.16 07:28 buy 0.34 eurgbp 0.8972 0.0000 0.8982 2008.12.16 15:21 0.8982 0.00 0.00 0.00 52.10
231313 [tp]
39856782 2008.12.16 05:41 buy 0.36 eurusd 1.3737 0.0000 1.3747 2008.12.16 14:29 1.3747 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39854251 2008.12.16 05:03 buy 0.37 eurusd 1.3729 0.0000 1.3739 2008.12.16 13:52 1.3739 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.00
231313 [tp]
39856492 2008.12.16 05:37 buy 0.36 audusd 0.6715 0.0000 0.6725 2008.12.16 13:40 0.6725 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39855186 2008.12.16 05:19 sell 0.36 usdcad 1.2310 0.0000 1.2300 2008.12.16 12:49 1.2300 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.27
231313 [tp]
39866726 2008.12.16 06:57 sell 0.37 usdcad 1.2313 0.0000 1.2303 2008.12.16 12:45 1.2303 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.07
231313 [tp]
39857293 2008.12.16 05:46 sell 0.38 usdchf 1.1550 0.0000 1.1540 2008.12.16 12:30 1.1540 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.93
231313 [tp]
39859513 2008.12.16 06:06 sell 0.34 usdchf 1.1554 0.0000 1.1544 2008.12.16 12:05 1.1544 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.45
231313 [tp]
39833196 2008.12.16 01:29 sell 0.39 eurgbp 0.8955 0.0000 0.8945 2008.12.16 12:02 0.8945 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.60
231313 [tp]
39855103 2008.12.16 05:16 buy 0.37 audusd 0.6707 0.0000 0.6717 2008.12.16 10:10 0.6717 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.00
231313 [tp]
39832507 2008.12.16 01:19 buy 0.42 usdcad 1.2345 0.0000 1.2355 2008.12.16 08:55 1.2355 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.99
231313 [tp]
39837299 2008.12.16 02:09 buy 0.39 usdcad 1.2333 0.0000 1.2343 2008.12.16 08:54 1.2343 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.60
231313 [tp]
39869746 2008.12.16 07:18 buy 0.37 gbpjpy 138.05 0.00 138.15 2008.12.16 07:59 138.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.99
231313 [tp]
39832644 2008.12.16 01:21 sell 0.41 usdchf 1.1560 0.0000 1.1550 2008.12.16 07:58 1.1550 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.50
231313 [tp]
39868948 2008.12.16 07:14 sell 0.37 usdchf 1.1558 0.0000 1.1548 2008.12.16 07:58 1.1548 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.04
231313 [tp]
39870641 2008.12.16 07:24 buy 0.36 audusd 0.6690 0.0000 0.6700 2008.12.16 07:55 0.6700 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39858070 2008.12.16 05:55 buy 0.35 usdcad 1.2312 0.0000 1.2322 2008.12.16 07:34 1.2322 0.00 0.00 0.00 28.40
231313 [tp]
39835273 2008.12.16 01:58 buy 0.40 usdchf 1.1564 0.0000 1.1574 2008.12.16 07:32 1.1574 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.56
231313 [tp]
39865844 2008.12.16 06:51 sell 0.36 gbpjpy 137.96 0.00 137.86 2008.12.16 07:20 137.86 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.91
231313 [tp]
39862210 2008.12.16 06:29 sell 0.35 gbpjpy 138.02 0.00 137.92 2008.12.16 06:55 137.92 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.80
231313 [tp]
39858186 2008.12.16 05:57 sell 0.35 usdjpy 90.37 0.00 90.27 2008.12.16 06:51 90.27 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.77
231313 [tp]
39856216 2008.12.16 05:32 buy 0.37 eurgbp 0.8963 0.0000 0.8973 2008.12.16 06:33 0.8973 0.00 0.00 0.00 56.51
231313 [tp]
39848408 2008.12.16 04:18 buy 0.35 eurgbp 0.8962 0.0000 0.8972 2008.12.16 06:32 0.8972 0.00 0.00 0.00 53.47
231313 [tp]
39841512 2008.12.16 02:44 buy 0.39 eurgbp 0.8961 0.0000 0.8971 2008.12.16 06:30 0.8971 0.00 0.00 0.00 59.58
231313 [tp]
39860760 2008.12.16 06:22 sell 0.34 gbpjpy 138.21 0.00 138.11 2008.12.16 06:29 138.11 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.63
231313 [tp]
39829008 2008.12.16 00:57 buy 0.45 eurgbp 0.8959 0.0000 0.8969 2008.12.16 06:29 0.8969 0.00 0.00 0.00 68.78
231313 [tp]
39857895 2008.12.16 05:53 sell 0.36 gbpjpy 138.34 0.00 138.24 2008.12.16 06:18 138.24 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.87
231313 [tp]

streakbreaker
12-17-2008, 07:46 PM
39841819 2008.12.16 02:47 sell 0.38 usdjpy 90.44 0.00 90.34 2008.12.16 05:46 90.34 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.06
231313 [tp]
39855718 2008.12.16 05:26 sell 0.36 usdjpy 90.45 0.00 90.35 2008.12.16 05:46 90.35 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.85
231313 [tp]
39833169 2008.12.16 01:29 sell 0.40 usdjpy 90.48 0.00 90.38 2008.12.16 05:41 90.38 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.26
231313 [tp]
39855784 2008.12.16 05:28 sell 0.35 gbpjpy 138.59 0.00 138.49 2008.12.16 05:41 138.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.73
231313 [tp]
39832627 2008.12.16 01:21 buy 0.41 gbpusd 1.5313 0.0000 1.5323 2008.12.16 05:32 1.5323 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.00
231313 [tp]
39848794 2008.12.16 04:26 buy 0.34 audusd 0.6700 0.0000 0.6710 2008.12.16 05:31 0.6710 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.00
231313 [tp]
39845328 2008.12.16 03:33 buy 0.36 audusd 0.6692 0.0000 0.6702 2008.12.16 05:09 0.6702 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39843453 2008.12.16 03:10 buy 0.36 gbpusd 1.5307 0.0000 1.5317 2008.12.16 04:39 1.5317 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39831980 2008.12.16 01:14 buy 0.44 eurusd 1.3717 0.0000 1.3727 2008.12.16 04:39 1.3727 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.00
231313 [tp]
39846577 2008.12.16 03:56 buy 0.35 eurusd 1.3715 0.0000 1.3725 2008.12.16 04:36 1.3725 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.00
231313 [tp]
39843280 2008.12.16 03:07 buy 0.37 eurusd 1.3709 0.0000 1.3719 2008.12.16 04:27 1.3719 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.00
231313 [tp]
39838223 2008.12.16 02:21 sell 0.39 gbpjpy 138.47 0.00 138.37 2008.12.16 02:40 138.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.11
231313 [tp]
39833432 2008.12.16 01:34 sell 0.39 eurusd 1.3712 0.0000 1.3702 2008.12.16 02:14 1.3702 0.00 0.00 0.00 39.00
231313 [tp]
39831966 2008.12.16 01:14 buy 0.44 audusd 0.6694 0.0000 0.6704 2008.12.16 01:51 0.6704 0.00 0.00 0.00 44.00
231313 [tp]
39566424 2008.12.15 03:43 buy 0.34 usdcad 1.2391 0.0000 1.2401 2008.12.15 17:42 1.2401 0.00 0.00 0.00 27.42
231313 [tp]
39565257 2008.12.15 03:19 buy 0.34 usdcad 1.2391 0.0000 1.2401 2008.12.15 17:42 1.2401 0.00 0.00 0.00 27.42
231313 [tp]
39575455 2008.12.15 04:50 buy 0.30 audusd 0.6704 0.0000 0.6714 2008.12.15 15:14 0.6714 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.00
231313 [tp]
39573175 2008.12.15 04:29 buy 0.33 audusd 0.6697 0.0000 0.6707 2008.12.15 14:45 0.6707 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.00
231313 [tp]
39568544 2008.12.15 03:57 buy 0.33 audusd 0.6697 0.0000 0.6707 2008.12.15 14:45 0.6707 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.00
231313 [tp]
39577269 2008.12.15 05:02 buy 0.29 gbpusd 1.5063 0.0000 1.5073 2008.12.15 13:24 1.5073 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.00
231313 [tp]
39602216 2008.12.15 07:55 buy 0.26 gbpusd 1.5048 0.0000 1.5058 2008.12.15 13:23 1.5058 0.00 0.00 0.00 26.00
231313 [tp]
39575086 2008.12.15 04:44 sell 0.30 usdchf 1.1696 0.0000 1.1686 2008.12.15 12:58 1.1686 0.00 0.00 0.00 25.67
231313 [tp]
39590241 2008.12.15 06:42 sell 0.29 usdchf 1.1698 0.0000 1.1688 2008.12.15 12:58 1.1688 0.00 0.00 0.00 24.81
231313 [tp]
39575401 2008.12.15 04:49 buy 0.30 eurusd 1.3491 0.0000 1.3501 2008.12.15 12:47 1.3501 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.00
231313 [tp]
39588465 2008.12.15 06:30 buy 0.29 eurusd 1.3491 0.0000 1.3501 2008.12.15 12:47 1.3501 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.00
231313 [tp]
39588508 2008.12.15 06:30 buy 0.29 eurgbp 0.8990 0.0000 0.9000 2008.12.15 11:28 0.9000 0.00 0.00 0.00 43.43
231313 [tp]
39614618 2008.12.15 08:43 buy 0.32 gbpjpy 136.31 0.00 136.41 2008.12.15 10:27 136.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.23
231313 [tp]
39614637 2008.12.15 08:43 sell 0.31 usdjpy 90.61 0.00 90.51 2008.12.15 09:35 90.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.25
231313 [tp]
39598397 2008.12.15 07:28 buy 0.28 eurgbp 0.8967 0.0000 0.8977 2008.12.15 09:32 0.8977 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.07
231313 [tp]
39611334 2008.12.15 08:33 sell 0.30 gbpjpy 136.26 0.00 136.16 2008.12.15 08:40 136.16 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.11
231313 [tp]
39564561 2008.12.15 03:10 buy 0.35 usdchf 1.1728 0.0000 1.1738 2008.12.15 08:21 1.1738 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.82
231313 [tp]
39587838 2008.12.15 06:22 sell 0.31 gbpjpy 136.48 0.00 136.38 2008.12.15 08:21 136.38 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.16
231313 [tp]
39607462 2008.12.15 08:17 sell 0.28 usdjpy 90.84 0.00 90.74 2008.12.15 08:20 90.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.86
231313 [tp]
39566342 2008.12.15 03:41 sell 0.34 gbpjpy 136.49 0.00 136.39 2008.12.15 08:20 136.39 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.47
231313 [tp]
39607573 2008.12.15 08:18 buy 0.27 usdcad 1.2343 0.0000 1.2353 2008.12.15 08:19 1.2353 0.00 0.00 0.00 21.86
231313 [tp]
39606142 2008.12.15 08:11 sell 0.27 gbpjpy 136.58 0.00 136.48 2008.12.15 08:13 136.48 0.00 0.00 0.00 29.72
231313 [tp]
39599255 2008.12.15 07:33 sell 0.28 gbpjpy 136.64 0.00 136.54 2008.12.15 08:12 136.54 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.82
231313 [tp]
39602350 2008.12.15 07:56 sell 0.25 usdchf 1.1713 0.0000 1.1703 2008.12.15 08:07 1.1703 0.00 0.00 0.00 21.36
231313 [tp]
39599893 2008.12.15 07:37 sell 0.26 usdjpy 90.95 0.00 90.85 2008.12.15 08:03 90.85 0.00 0.00 0.00 28.62
231313 [tp]
39599261 2008.12.15 07:33 buy 0.27 usdchf 1.1717 0.0000 1.1727 2008.12.15 07:58 1.1727 0.00 0.00 0.00 23.02
231313 [tp]
39565848 2008.12.15 03:31 sell 0.34 eurusd 1.3455 0.0000 1.3445 2008.12.15 07:57 1.3445 0.00 0.00 0.00 34.00
231313 [tp]
39585588 2008.12.15 06:05 buy 0.30 gbpusd 1.5040 0.0000 1.5050 2008.12.15 07:02 1.5050 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.00
231313 [tp]
39578770 2008.12.15 05:16 sell 0.28 usdcad 1.2359 0.0000 1.2349 2008.12.15 06:35 1.2349 0.00 0.00 0.00 22.67
231313 [tp]
39588251 2008.12.15 06:28 sell 0.30 usdcad 1.2354 0.0000 1.2344 2008.12.15 06:35 1.2344 0.00 0.00 0.00 24.30
231313 [tp]
39587061 2008.12.15 06:17 sell 0.30 usdchf 1.1713 0.0000 1.1703 2008.12.15 06:31 1.1703 0.00 0.00 0.00 25.63
231313 [tp]
39569953 2008.12.15 04:12 sell 0.31 usdcad 1.2367 0.0000 1.2357 2008.12.15 06:30 1.2357 0.00 0.00 0.00 25.09
231313 [tp]
39574901 2008.12.15 04:41 buy 0.32 eurgbp 0.8967 0.0000 0.8977 2008.12.15 06:19 0.8977 0.00 0.00 0.00 48.05
231313 [tp]
39568288 2008.12.15 03:54 buy 0.34 eurgbp 0.8964 0.0000 0.8974 2008.12.15 06:17 0.8974 0.00 0.00 0.00 51.06
231313 [tp]
39562291 2008.12.15 02:44 buy 0.40 eurgbp 0.8961 0.0000 0.8971 2008.12.15 06:14 0.8971 0.00 0.00 0.00 60.14
231313 [tp]
39578288 2008.12.15 05:14 sell 0.29 usdjpy 90.89 0.00 90.79 2008.12.15 05:38 90.79 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.94
231313 [tp]
39578792 2008.12.15 05:17 buy 0.28 usdchf 1.1707 0.0000 1.1717 2008.12.15 05:31 1.1717 0.00 0.00 0.00 23.90
231313 [tp]
39573963 2008.12.15 04:34 sell 0.32 usdjpy 90.91 0.00 90.81 2008.12.15 05:31 90.81 0.00 0.00 0.00 35.24
231313 [tp]
39573135 2008.12.15 04:28 buy 0.33 eurusd 1.3486 0.0000 1.3496 2008.12.15 04:50 1.3496 0.00 0.00 0.00 33.00
231313 [tp]
39574947 2008.12.15 04:42 buy 0.31 gbpusd 1.5045 0.0000 1.5055 2008.12.15 04:50 1.5055 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.00
231313 [tp]
39569810 2008.12.15 04:11 sell 0.31 usdchf 1.1709 0.0000 1.1699 2008.12.15 04:34 1.1699 0.00 0.00 0.00 26.50
231313 [tp]
39564156 2008.12.15 03:04 buy 0.37 gbpusd 1.5033 0.0000 1.5043 2008.12.15 04:24 1.5043 0.00 0.00 0.00 37.00
231313 [tp]
39568593 2008.12.15 03:57 buy 0.32 gbpusd 1.5031 0.0000 1.5041 2008.12.15 04:24 1.5041 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.00
231313 [tp]
39569151 2008.12.15 04:03 buy 0.31 eurusd 1.3472 0.0000 1.3482 2008.12.15 04:22 1.3482 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.00
231313 [tp]
39562349 2008.12.15 02:45 sell 0.39 usdcad 1.2392 0.0000 1.2382 2008.12.15 03:55 1.2382 0.00 0.00 0.00 31.50
231313 [tp]
39564437 2008.12.15 03:08 buy 0.36 audusd 0.6683 0.0000 0.6693 2008.12.15 03:52 0.6693 0.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
231313 [tp]
39562853 2008.12.15 02:52 buy 0.38 eurusd 1.3457 0.0000 1.3467 2008.12.15 03:48 1.3467 0.00 0.00 0.00 38.00
231313 [tp]
39561438 2008.12.15 02:31 balance Deposit 10 000.00
0.00 0.00 -16.28 9 659.82
Closed P/L: 9 643.54


Floating P/L: -220.91

$10,000 account, almost doubled in 4 days
i left some trades yesterday and found out four of them were not given take profit levels by the robot. luckily, they all turned out well, so i just placed trailing stop.

maxfactor
12-17-2008, 08:18 PM
39841819 2008.12.16 02:47 sell 0.38 usdjpy
Closed P/L: 9 643.54


Floating P/L: -220.91

$10,000 account, almost doubled in 4 days
i left some trades yesterday and found out four of them were not given take profit levels by the robot. luckily, they all turned out well, so i just placed trailing stop.

Is this live or demo?

maxfactor
12-17-2008, 08:19 PM
and max you're using eagles settings?? no tweaks or anything to make them work on the other pairs?

No tweaks only LRR increased along with the Maximum trades. I also set eurusd settings for long only as it keeps going up. When there is a change I will set it to long and short or short only.

Maxfactor, although we can all admire and dream that a live account would do so well the reality is that this would NEVER happen in a live account. Demo accounts are learning tools, Live accounts are for the harsh reality that it's far easier to lose your money than it is to make it.
It can happen with proper MM and patience . I never thought that my LIVE FXDD Bonus $100 account would surpass $2000 and I just started to trade this account from Sunday night.

Also I have a micro Liteforex $10 account which is now at 400 and counting.:D

I have 2 other live accounts I am running too alongside 6 demos. Yes it maybe too much but I do it to keep my mind focused.

Nelstradamus
12-17-2008, 10:29 PM
No tweaks only LRR increased along with the Maximum trades. I also set eurusd settings for long only as it keeps going up. When there is a change I will set it to long and short or short only.


It can happen with proper MM and patience . I never thought that my LIVE FXDD Bonus $100 account would surpass $2000 and I just started to trade this account from Sunday night.

Also I have a micro Liteforex $10 account which is now at 400 and counting.:D

I have 2 other live accounts I am running too alongside 6 demos. Yes it maybe too much but I do it to keep my mind focused.

I may have to turn my live account over into your custody to trade for me because in the last month I've smoked (lost) my $2k account and 3 days ago started with another $2k and so far it's made tons of winning trades but the losses wipe them out so I'm down $100.

What is it that is different between people's live accounts that determines success or failure? Is it the broker, the settings, the computer, the trader?

maxfactor
12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
I may have to turn my live account over into your custody to trade for me because in the last month I've smoked (lost) my $2k account and 3 days ago started with another $2k and so far it's made tons of winning trades but the losses wipe them out so I'm down $100.

What is it that is different between people's live accounts that determines success or failure? Is it the broker, the settings, the computer, the trader?

LOL! I am just a noob to forex maybe I am lucky. I look up to people like Alan,Eagle,Earl,Mystik and others. I am basically using most settings that people here using except I set the FAPS to long only and I tune in to check the news to see if I should set FAPS to LONG,SHORT or LONG AND SHORT.I am no expert I am going with the flow. :cool:

I have lost money also just like anyone. I had a account nearlly wiped out the other day and I just closed my lots walked away turn of the computer for a week and start back again. :)

Sometimes I will open up trades along with faps to make up loses but thats about it. :)

streakbreaker
12-17-2008, 10:51 PM
Is this live or demo?

demo still
will go live again next year

^eagle^
12-18-2008, 05:40 AM
Hopefully everyone is running all longs right now if not what are you waiting for?!

I will keep my settings updated on the first post of this thread as I continue to make changes. Currently set at all long

^eagle^
12-18-2008, 05:46 AM
eagle, your settings are great. but i have one runaway sell at 3696 from yesterday and have been struggling mentally of when to close it. And if so, should i just put a stop loss setting from now on. but from what I just read from you, are you saying the best strategy is to just cut your losses after 24 hours?? to me i think i can live with that strategy more than putting SL's in.

Kill the trade and go all long until further notice. I will try to pay more attention to this thread. Have been busy.

stuve
12-18-2008, 06:26 AM
Hopefully everyone is running all longs right now if not what are you waiting for?!

I will keep my settings updated on the first post of this thread as I continue to make changes. Currently set at all long

Hi Eagle.
Yes please keep updating your first post..
Also i have a question, in the first post you dont write the chart you currently trades using your setting, maybe add that?
Regards and lots of thanks!

^eagle^
12-18-2008, 07:15 AM
Hi Eagle.
Yes please keep updating your first post..
Also i have a question, in the first post you dont write the chart you currently trades using your setting, maybe add that?
Regards and lots of thanks!

All settings are updated. Check first post for current settings. Any change I make I will update on first post and post an bumping post stating I have updated.

mikeh
12-18-2008, 07:49 AM
Eagle,
Thanks so much for sharing your settings. In the last 3 weeks my account has been revived, I am making un heard of weekly gains.

One small difference I have been using is that I will kill an errant trade after it is 100 pips down as opposed to waiting 24 hours. The way this has been trading that 100 pips is made up very quickly, usually within the same day. The reason I use this method is because with MM on my lot sizes are increasing every day. Using a mental 100 pip stop loss always keeps my stop in the same place despite increasing dollar values.

Very interesting seeing this used on other pairs with success. Looking forward to see how this all works out. You know the trend right now is significant. We'll see how it goes when we whipsaw some.

^eagle^
12-18-2008, 08:24 AM
US uneployment diod not change much that is why we had this current drawdown.

This may be the end of the bull run because unemployment is one of the best indicators of acurrencies strength.

maxfactor
12-18-2008, 11:01 AM
Settings changed to short only!

^eagle^
12-18-2008, 11:12 AM
Damn!

i leave my computer for three hours and the damn thing drops 400 pips!

going all short

maxfactor
12-18-2008, 12:19 PM
Damn!

i leave my computer for three hours and the damn thing drops 400 pips!

going all short

DAMN I MADE SOME LOSSES TOO. Lesson learnt I need to setup remote access to my computer. :mad:

oofdah
12-18-2008, 04:39 PM
Eagle are you still trading on M1?

maxfactor
12-18-2008, 04:47 PM
Eagle the question now is whether to stick to being SHORT OR LONG AND SHORT?

maxfactor
12-18-2008, 07:03 PM
Well guys I am selling like crazy now. I am trying to restore back my profits ! :)

Fap does not even want to initiate the sells so I am manually trading right now.

jefe
12-18-2008, 07:16 PM
DAMN I MADE SOME LOSSES TOO. Lesson learnt I need to setup remote access to my computer. :mad:

I've been thinking the same thing w/ vacation coming up... anyone use gotomypc?

I leave mine set to long and short. All it did for the last couple of days was buy last week all it did was sell so it seems smarter than I...(21 MA)

popeone
12-18-2008, 08:32 PM
I've been thinking the same thing w/ vacation coming up... anyone use gotomypc?

I leave mine set to long and short. All it did for the last couple of days was buy last week all it did was sell so it seems smarter than I...(21 MA)

Yea, I tried to use it but the firewall at the office won't let me get through. Sucks I just want to watch my account and I have to wait to get home.. If anyone has another idea to connect to my computer at home, please let me know!!!!!:D

alan
12-18-2008, 10:46 PM
Yea, I tried to use it but the firewall at the office won't let me get through. Sucks I just want to watch my account and I have to wait to get home.. If anyone has another idea to connect to my computer at home, please let me know!!!!!:D

I don't think it would be your office firewall that would be the problem. It doesn' t make sense for a firewall to block outgoing RDP traffic. Are you sure youv'e setup your home machine to handle incoming remote desktop connections?

alan
12-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Damn!

i leave my computer for three hours and the damn thing drops 400 pips!

going all short

It could be only a retracement. At this point it seems to be stuck in a range. I'm staying on the sidelines until I see some definite sense of direction.

lorddave
12-18-2008, 10:55 PM
Its very possible that your work is blocking certain traffic through your internet proxy.
For instance I can't connect to my home PC through VNC via the corporate LAN, but being the IT type that I am, with keys to the patch cabinets, I have a straight out ADSL line sitting on my desk for anything I don't want to be logged or blocked via the proxy ;)

popeone
12-18-2008, 11:07 PM
Its very possible that your work is blocking certain traffic through your internet proxy.
For instance I can't connect to my home PC through VNC via the corporate LAN, but being the IT type that I am, with keys to the patch cabinets, I have a straight out ADSL line sitting on my desk for anything I don't want to be logged or blocked via the proxy ;)

yea, i think you got it... i was going to try to VNC in next.. c if that works...:confused:

alan
12-19-2008, 12:32 AM
Hmm...I don't like VNC, it's god awful slow compared to RDP. I'm not sure lorddave if you're using VNC becuase you're using a unix box and whatnot, but it would sure be great if RDP was open source.

stuve
12-19-2008, 03:13 AM
Damn!

i leave my computer for three hours and the damn thing drops 400 pips!

going all short

It still says long on 1st post.. =/


i got slaughtered yesterday and today, from $1800 to 1100$ on my 600$ account..
well. lesson learned..

alan
12-19-2008, 03:22 AM
What a reversal! Damn!

^eagle^
12-19-2008, 04:59 AM
It still says long on 1st post.. =/


i got slaughtered yesterday and today, from $1800 to 1100$ on my 600$ account..
well. lesson learned..

I forgot to change first post.

Guys please remember that I am still a bit of a noob. The only advantage I have is an advanced mathematics knowledge. I'm learning right along with you.

The market volume is so thin that if any movement occurs it is exaggerated because there is little opposition.

This is often reffered to as the "silly season" because of the wild gyrations.

FAPS doesnt perform well in this market.

I think Im shutting down for the week. Looking at a strategy that if turbo says its unsafe to trade then FAPS is unplugged.

I'm also trying to get turbo to work like FAP. But the stop time does not seem to be working on v16. I got v23 now and am tweaking the settings until I can get it to trade like FAP but have the safety mevchanisms in place to turn off in danger zones.

maxfactor
12-19-2008, 05:27 AM
What a reversal! Damn!

ALAN I STOOD OUT OF THE MARKET AFTER MY LOSS YESTERDAY!:eek:

stuve
12-19-2008, 05:54 AM
I forgot to change first post.

Guys please remember that I am still a bit of a noob. The only advantage I have is an advanced mathematics knowledge. I'm learning right along with you.

The market volume is so thin that if any movement occurs it is exaggerated because there is little opposition.

This is often reffered to as the "silly season" because of the wild gyrations.

FAPS doesnt perform well in this market.

I think Im shutting down for the week. Looking at a strategy that if turbo says its unsafe to trade then FAPS is unplugged.

I'm also trying to get turbo to work like FAP. But the stop time does not seem to be working on v16. I got v23 now and am tweaking the settings until I can get it to trade like FAP but have the safety mevchanisms in place to turn off in danger zones.

Great work! Keep it up!! =)

maxfactor
12-19-2008, 08:33 AM
GUYS THIS MAYBE RISKY DONT TRY IT IF YOUR NOT GONNA MONITOR YOUR TRADES BUT PERIOD MA 75 JUST GAVE ME 8 TP TRADES ON SELLS!! :cool:

maxfactor
12-19-2008, 11:43 AM
Auto Bailout approved! :D

^eagle^
12-19-2008, 06:39 PM
I'm taking a break from forex until the new year!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
BE SAFE

^eagle^
12-19-2008, 07:30 PM
I posted on the FAPturbo forum questions about how to get turbo to trade more like FAP. Hope to get some answers Monday!

I just want a freakin EA that WORKS!

Is that too much to ask!???


I dont give a shit who gets the glory!
If I knew code I would do it myself!

:mad::rolleyes:

maxfactor
12-19-2008, 11:37 PM
I posted on the FAPturbo forum questions about how to get turbo to trade more like FAP. Hope to get some answers Monday!

I just want a freakin EA that WORKS!

Is that too much to ask!???


I dont give a shit who gets the glory!
If I knew code I would do it myself!

:mad::rolleyes:

Eagle I know you have the perfect EA in mind but why not post what you want in the coders unite thread and see what someone can do who can code properly. Explain it to them and let them do the rest.:cool:

maxfactor
12-23-2008, 05:52 AM
I know eagle have locked down faps till january but things going good so far gaining the pips although I see some really weird candle formations. Some look like santa and his reindeers the others look like a christmas tree. :p

koolfx
12-23-2008, 11:32 AM
hi,
is somebody try to understand how it play ? buy on the highest high & sell on the lowest low !!!!
Then try to catch profits !!!

bobwirwin3
12-23-2008, 12:15 PM
Sorry I am new to Fap Turbo. I can not seem to change the time settings in Fap Turbo from M15 to M1? I am in the scalper mode? When I switch the scalper mode off and try to run it that way it says that you can only trade EURUSD with this method? Is their some place that I have to switch the settings in order to change the time? As I have been playing with FAP Turbo and I can not figure out how to bypass the errors so that I can run M1.

I am in the demo account and will not run live most likely until January. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Merry Christmas :)

oofdah
12-23-2008, 01:52 PM
Sorry I am new to Fap Turbo. I can not seem to change the time settings in Fap Turbo from M15 to M1? I am in the scalper mode? When I switch the scalper mode off and try to run it that way it says that you can only trade EURUSD with this method? Is their some place that I have to switch the settings in order to change the time? As I have been playing with FAP Turbo and I can not figure out how to bypass the errors so that I can run M1.

I am in the demo account and will not run live most likely until January. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Merry Christmas :)

Bob, you need to change the settings on FAPT so that "UseScalperStrategy"=false to run on Eur/USD M1. The times are listed across the top of the window directly above the charts: M1, M5, M15, etc. The scalper is only for EUR/GBP, GBPCHF, EURCHF, and USDCAD - and only for the M15 timeframe.

Also, this section is for the original FAPS program. There is a separate section for Fapturbo on the main page.

;)

^eagle^
12-25-2008, 08:29 AM
I have been informed by a coder this week that my assumption of how the period MA filter works is erroneous.

The filter is attached to the DAILY chart. Not the m1.

I'm still trying to digest this new information because it doesn't make sense compared to what I am seeing on the screen. But the coder would know better than I.

If it is attached to the daily chart then that would mean it would be neccessary to change the filter depending on market conditions.

Ill give it some more thought. but if this were so then the 21 would not work on an uptrend reversal if it reversed quickly on the spike we had a couple of weeks back.

Daily time frame seems way too laggy for such a small take profit.

Also I have emailed both FAP and Fapturbo developers about this. No answers back. FAP gave me a copy and paste answer. checking on turbos answer today.



maybe I'm just erroneous in my theory but the charts show otherwise.

Jason
12-26-2008, 10:40 AM
I have been informed by a coder this week that my assumption of how the period MA filter works is erroneous.

The filter is attached to the DAILY chart. Not the m1.


maybe I'm just erroneous in my theory but the charts show otherwise.

I actually knew this about the MA as it mentioned this when I read over the FAP Turbo guide. Like most people, I assumed that the MA was for the chart the EA was attached to?

Still though, I've been using the MA 21 settings all month and its been great. Doesn't matter if the idea was wrong, it works and makes money!

koeiseun
12-27-2008, 05:07 PM
Hi ^eagle^

Here is the code segment

if (UseMAControl != 0) {
g_ima_268 = iMA(NULL, PERIOD_D1, PeriodMA, 0, TypeMA_0_3, PriceMA_0_6, 1);
g_ima_276 = iMA(NULL, PERIOD_D1, PeriodMA, 0, TypeMA_0_3, PriceMA_0_6, 0);
}

As you can see it is using DAILY (PERIOD_D1)

Regards
KS

^eagle^
01-06-2009, 08:24 PM
Hope everyone had a great Holiday.

I see now why FAP does not operate during the last week of december and first week of January.

Crazy times.

I will have good ole FAP up and running This Friday and introducing some easy to read forecasting tools for setting long and short.

Looks like the coders are coming up with something good here too.

2009 is the year of the PIP!

Lets make it happen.:)

^eagle^
01-06-2009, 08:36 PM
Hi ^eagle^

Here is the code segment

if (UseMAControl != 0) {
g_ima_268 = iMA(NULL, PERIOD_D1, PeriodMA, 0, TypeMA_0_3, PriceMA_0_6, 1);
g_ima_276 = iMA(NULL, PERIOD_D1, PeriodMA, 0, TypeMA_0_3, PriceMA_0_6, 0);
}

As you can see it is using DAILY (PERIOD_D1)

Regards
KS

so how does this affect trade direction when you set it.

looks like we need to backtest trends to find best settings for up down and sideways markets.

AS has been stated 21 works great in an uptrend but seems not to want to make as many trades in a downtrend. Would a higher MA allow that?

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 03:20 AM
Attached are some interesting indicators I have tinkered with over the past few days.

Please take some time and download these . I will explain what this is later and hope to improve it with some of you guys' input. These are needed for a template I am building for a forecasting tool.

MT4 does not have these indicators.

Download these indicators on your desk top and place them in your mt4 indicator folder.

maxfactor
01-08-2009, 04:51 AM
Attached are some interesting indicators I have tinkered with over the past few days.

Please take some time and download these . I will explain what this is later and hope to improve it with some of you guys' input. These are needed for a template I am building for a forecasting tool.

MT4 does not have these indicators.

Download these indicators on your desk top and place them in your mt4 indicator folder.

Ok thanks eagle I just downloaded them and waiting for instructions. :)

stuve
01-08-2009, 06:48 AM
I have loaded your beast now, first time sine holiday.
hmm I get this error:

first: 4066 desc requested history in data update state

and this new one:
jaw error: 4110 desc: longs are not allowed in the expert properties

whats that?

spkul8r
01-08-2009, 07:40 AM
Awaiting you instructions, have a nice day. DS

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 12:37 PM
Ok Guys and Gals! Here it is!

I have been thinking about a simple to use forecastign tool to be able to change FAP settings to amp up the results.

After learning that Period MA filter is attached to D1 time frame I decided to study this along with trend identification.

What I give to you today is still in beta testing.

I would like some input to to make this forecasting tool better.

Download daily FAP template and place it into your template folder in mt4.
Change the file extension from .ex4 to .tpl before placing in folder

also I have two more indicators to download. they go in the indicator folder of Mt4. The PSAR alert and the FAP rules

If you have downloaded the first FAPrulesof thumb that can be deleted and replaced with this one.

Once everything is installed open mt4 and Pull up Eur/usd DAILY chart. Then right click on the chart
Go to templates
Click on Daily FAP

This is your road map on how to reign this bad bot!!!

And if you haven't already I included two codes for slope indicator. everything you need is in this post.

maxfactor
01-08-2009, 01:18 PM
Ok Guys and Gals! Here it is!

I have been thinking about a simple to use forecastign tool to be able to change FAP settings to amp up the results.

After learning that Period MA filter is attached to D1 time frame I decided to study this along with trend identification.

What I give to you today is still in beta testing.

I would like some input to to make this forecasting tool better.

Download daily FAP template and place it into your template folder in mt4.
Change the file extension from .ex4 to .tpl before placing in folder

also I have two more indicators to download. they go in the indicator folder of Mt4. The PSAR alert and the FAP rules

If you have downloaded the first FAPrulesof thumb that can be deleted and replaced with this one.

Once everything is installed open mt4 and Pull up Eur/usd DAILY chart. Then right click on the chart
Go to templates
Click on Daily FAP

This is your road map on how to reign this bad bot!!!

And if you haven't already I included two codes for slope indicator. everything you need is in this post.

Thanks alot eagle I will check it out when I get home from work.This seems like a EA work along with Mechanical Trading but once it works it will be all good. I am sorry for those folks who keep thinking one set of results will work for every condition. You have to change the settings for the market conditions for this to work and its been proven in the other EAs we are testing. :)

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 01:55 PM
Thanks alot eagle I will check it out when I get home from work.This seems like a EA work along with Mechanical Trading but once it works it will be all good. I am sorry for those folks who keep thinking one set of results will work for every condition. You have to change the settings for the market conditions for this to work and its been proven in the other EAs we are testing. :)

This simplifies it so that you only have to check it once per day. You get an ^eagle^'s eye view of what's going on instead of just having your nose pressed against the glass. You check it once a day after the New York close for changes.

The slope ,pSAR, and AO indicators are good for lower time frames down to the 30m but the Moving averages are ONLY for the DAILY chart.

You can separate the slope indicators (all the red and blue ones) from the Moving averages and place them in different templates.

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 06:32 PM
Let me know if anyone is having problems or questions. I want to make this better but I need more input.:)

mikeh
01-08-2009, 07:03 PM
Thanks Eagle!! "If price crosses over a moving average that average becomes the new Period MA" What effect does bumping the period MA up or down in the parameters have on the way the EA trades?

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 07:04 PM
updated settings
8:00 pm EST January 8 2009


Period MA average 50
Long and short

Blue slope line appeared changing from all short

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 07:19 PM
Thanks Eagle!! "If price crosses over a moving average that average becomes the new Period MA" What effect does bumping the period MA up or down in the parameters have on the way the EA trades?

What I noticed is as the price moved away from the 21 MA on the up trend and retraced back to it FAP would not sell on the retrace.

However some of the guys with higher MAs would get those sells on the retrace.

I'm not quite sure how this works but the closer the MA is to the price the more powerful its influence becomes. Maybe a coder could enlighten us and explain it. I havent looked all that much into it yet. Just an intuitive knowledge of numbers coupled with some basic logic. I'll look at it further and see if I can explain why a little better

This is just what i observed. This is why its still in beta testing.

Right now all the MAs are Jolloped together. This hasnt happened since July of 08 and it never happened to this extent before that.

So we are in a consolidation period which means a major break out is due.

Not sure when it will happen.

Not even all that sure of which way. More than likely South because the 200MA rejected Price yesterday. But it could retest Friday with NFP. But a lot of that news was absorbed wednesday.

Its still anybodys game.

I have a pretty reliable signal provider stating that Eur/usd is heading for parity. Dollar for dollar that is.

^eagle^
01-08-2009, 09:14 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/pigeondropping/FAPdaily.jpg


Heres a screen shot of what FAPdaILY Template should look like.

maxfactor
01-08-2009, 09:27 PM
Period MA21 Just opened a sell trade which is heading to profits! Yep classic fap!:)

update it just hit tp :44766310 2009.01.09 03:09 sell 0.51 eurusd 1.3657 0.0000 1.3647 2009.01.09 03:28 1.3647 0.00 0.00 0.00 51.00

oofdah
01-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Forgive me, but I'm having a hell of a time understanding what I'm looking at. Would you say that currently the MA is 100?

And I don't know what you mean by "if dot switches sides kill all trades heading towards new dot". I currently have a buy open with red dots above it so they appear already to be heading towards eachother, are you saying if the red dots go below my trade I should kill the trade?

stuve
01-09-2009, 02:12 AM
I have loaded your beast now, first time sine holiday.
hmm I get this error:

first: 4066 desc requested history in data update state

and this new one:
jaw error: 4110 desc: longs are not allowed in the expert properties

whats that?

Hi.
Anyone know why I get: Jaw error: 4066 desc requested history in data update state

I get it same time as I start FAP, dont know yet if it still trades since I just started it again after holiday.

IdHitThat
01-09-2009, 03:30 AM
Here's my version of the Template
All details the screenshot

Just trying to figure whether to close any open postions at the end of the month or doing it manually...

Template attached
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dailyfapcustomqn7.png

I also have another version if you guys want it...

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dailyfapthvbabypipshf2.png

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 07:07 AM
Here's my version of the Template
All details the screenshot

Just trying to figure whether to close any open postions at the end of the month or doing it manually...

Template attached
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dailyfapcustomqn7.png

I also have another version if you guys want it...

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dailyfapthvbabypipshf2.png


Your links come up blank. I get to image shack but no image is there.??

stuve
01-09-2009, 07:14 AM
Your links come up blank. I get to image shack but no image is there.??

Works for me...

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 07:20 AM
Forgive me, but I'm having a hell of a time understanding what I'm looking at. Would you say that currently the MA is 100?

And I don't know what you mean by "if dot switches sides kill all trades heading towards new dot". I currently have a buy open with red dots above it so they appear already to be heading towards eachother, are you saying if the red dots go below my trade I should kill the trade?

The Only time you REALLY have to look at this is at 5:00 EST. That is when any permanent changes will occur.

Its hard to read because we are in such a tight consolidation.

If price crosses a MA that is your new Period MA. Doesnt matter which way.

It takes a huge movement for a PSAR to switch sides (The dot going from red to blue side or vice versa)

The candle has to hit the dot for it to move to the other side. This indicates a breakthrough in support or resistance.

PSAR=parabolic support and resistance.

So the trend will likely continue in that direction for some time.

When the new dot appears and you have trades heading towards that new dot it means price is heading away from them and won't be back for some time. So its best to cut your losses right away either by just closing or moving the TP's to where the old dot was and hope that price comes back to where the old dot was and close out for a loss.

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 07:31 AM
Hi.
Anyone know why I get: Jaw error: 4066 desc requested history in data update state

I get it same time as I start FAP, dont know yet if it still trades since I just started it again after holiday.

That is your broker not giving you your price.

What broker do you have.

BTW NFP is starting right now. Watch your chart

stuve
01-09-2009, 07:34 AM
HEHE yes, chart is crazy.. did 4 + trades, but my nerves dont allow me to have FAP running at the moment.. =)

stuve
01-09-2009, 07:38 AM
That is your broker not giving you your price.

What broker do you have.

BTW NFP is starting right now. Watch your chart

I use FXpro. But it still do its job. look my signature for 1:st day after holiday with your setting. Thanks man!

Grigory
01-09-2009, 07:58 AM
I use FxPro too. I have same error message from Alligator Indicator.

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 08:38 AM
:DFXDD

Account: XXXXXXX Name: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2009 January 9, 16:19
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2076003684 2009.01.09 16:11 sell stop 1.00 eurusd 1.3542 1.3562 0.0000 2009.01.09 16:14 1.3566 cancelled
2076003358 2009.01.09 16:07 sell 0.09 eurusd 1.3562 0.0000 1.3552 2009.01.09 16:07 1.3552 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.00
2076003307 2009.01.09 16:07 sell 0.09 eurusd 1.3574 0.0000 1.3564 2009.01.09 16:07 1.3564 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.00
2076002581 2009.01.09 16:01 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3588 1.3569 0.0000 2009.01.09 16:05 1.3569 0.00 0.00 0.00 190.00
2076001850 2009.01.09 15:54 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.3611 0.0000 1.3601 2009.01.09 16:00 1.3601 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2076001771 2009.01.09 15:52 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3622 0.0000 1.3623 2009.01.09 15:54 1.3623 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2076001688 2009.01.09 15:51 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3619 0.0000 0.0000 2009.01.09 15:52 1.3606 0.00 0.00 0.00 -130.00
2076000662 2009.01.09 15:45 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3651 1.3611 0.0000 2009.01.09 15:50 1.3611 0.00 0.00 0.00 400.00
2075999399 2009.01.09 15:33 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3718 1.3720 1.3728 2009.01.09 15:37 1.3728 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075993076 2009.01.09 12:08 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3723 0.0000 1.3770 2009.01.09 15:31 1.3729 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.20
2075995348 2009.01.09 13:48 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3673 1.3664 1.3633 2009.01.09 15:30 1.3674 0.00 0.00 0.00 -0.70
2075997816 2009.01.09 15:12 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3682 1.3679 1.3672 2009.01.09 15:13 1.3672 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075996578 2009.01.09 14:23 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3692 0.0000 1.3682 2009.01.09 14:32 1.3682 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075994455 2009.01.09 13:10 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3708 0.0000 1.3698 2009.01.09 13:20 1.3698 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00


This is my trades for NFP

Throw NFP pilot away. Brokers wipe out straddles before the real numbers start pouring in.

The one lot trades are manual with me trailing 10-20 pip Stop loss.

The buys I chicked out on which was a good thing becaus eit dropped some more and I caught that too.

Finally figured this NFP thing out.

Wait for the swinging to stop and then jump on in the direction it goes. Hop out on the retrace with 20 pip Trailing stop and get back in if it resumes trend past swing low.

I should have stayed out of the retrace. Would have made 16 more pips.

Live and learn.

maxfactor
01-09-2009, 08:53 AM
:DFXDD

Account: XXXXXXX Name: ^eagle^ Currency: USD 2009 January 9, 16:19
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
2076003684 2009.01.09 16:11 sell stop 1.00 eurusd 1.3542 1.3562 0.0000 2009.01.09 16:14 1.3566 cancelled
2076003358 2009.01.09 16:07 sell 0.09 eurusd 1.3562 0.0000 1.3552 2009.01.09 16:07 1.3552 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.00
2076003307 2009.01.09 16:07 sell 0.09 eurusd 1.3574 0.0000 1.3564 2009.01.09 16:07 1.3564 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.00
2076002581 2009.01.09 16:01 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3588 1.3569 0.0000 2009.01.09 16:05 1.3569 0.00 0.00 0.00 190.00
2076001850 2009.01.09 15:54 sell 0.06 eurusd 1.3611 0.0000 1.3601 2009.01.09 16:00 1.3601 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.00
2076001771 2009.01.09 15:52 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3622 0.0000 1.3623 2009.01.09 15:54 1.3623 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2076001688 2009.01.09 15:51 buy 1.00 eurusd 1.3619 0.0000 0.0000 2009.01.09 15:52 1.3606 0.00 0.00 0.00 -130.00
2076000662 2009.01.09 15:45 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3651 1.3611 0.0000 2009.01.09 15:50 1.3611 0.00 0.00 0.00 400.00
2075999399 2009.01.09 15:33 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3718 1.3720 1.3728 2009.01.09 15:37 1.3728 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075993076 2009.01.09 12:08 buy 0.07 eurusd 1.3723 0.0000 1.3770 2009.01.09 15:31 1.3729 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.20
2075995348 2009.01.09 13:48 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3673 1.3664 1.3633 2009.01.09 15:30 1.3674 0.00 0.00 0.00 -0.70
2075997816 2009.01.09 15:12 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3682 1.3679 1.3672 2009.01.09 15:13 1.3672 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075996578 2009.01.09 14:23 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3692 0.0000 1.3682 2009.01.09 14:32 1.3682 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
2075994455 2009.01.09 13:10 sell 0.07 eurusd 1.3708 0.0000 1.3698 2009.01.09 13:20 1.3698 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00


This is my trades for NFP

Throw NFP pilot away. Brokers wipe out straddles before the real numbers start pouring in.

The one lot trades are manual with me trailing 10-20 pip Stop loss.

The buys I chicked out on which was a good thing becaus eit dropped some more and I caught that too.

Finally figured this NFP thing out.

Wait for the swinging to stop and then jump on in the direction it goes. Hop out on the retrace with 20 pip Trailing stop and get back in if it resumes trend past swing low.

I should have stayed out of the retrace. Would have made 16 more pips.

Live and learn.

:eek::eek: Left out before NFP so couldnt take advantage of it heeh Congrats on those results. :D

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 09:10 AM
:eek::eek: Left out before NFP so couldnt take advantage of it heeh Congrats on those results. :D

If I had not cancelled the sell stop at the top I would have made another 20 to 30 pips!

More learning to do!

Came here to brag and look what happened:D

edwardBe
01-09-2009, 09:44 AM
It looks like you haven't updated your settings at the beginning of this post if you are advocating that the period MA be 50 now.

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 09:50 AM
Actually that is a mistake

I do have it set at fifty. I misread my own chart:p


Going all short and switching to 100

edit:

this is where the beta testing comes in.

I pretyy confident that the slope lines will work as described but the MAs I need some help.

I need some people to do one of the following

If price is moving towards a MA (using candle color as a guide) then that is your MA
If price is moving away from a MA (using candle color as a guide) then that is your MA
Whatever MA is nearest to price then that is you MA
What I am using is is the latest cross.

I do not have enough computer power to test all four.


So we have four options. And I do not know which one will work best.

stuve
01-09-2009, 10:04 AM
It looks like you haven't updated your settings at the beginning of this post if you are advocating that the period MA be 50 now.

Yes agree.. Thats important, so as fast as you can when you change, please update 1 post =)

edwardBe
01-09-2009, 10:30 AM
Going all short and switching to 100


What are you basing that decision on? The daily chart doesn't really indicate anything except well, daily. It sounds like you're making shorter term decisions based on something else.

I'm pretty confident that the slope lines will work as described but with the MAs I need some help.

I need some people to do one of the following

If price is moving towards a MA (using candle color as a guide) then that is your MA
If price is moving away from a MA (using candle color as a guide) then that is your MA
Whatever MA is nearest to price then that is you MA
What I am using is is the latest cross.

I do not have enough computer power to test all four.


So we have four options. And I do not know which one will work best.

I'm glad to help, but I don't see easily what is involved in testing these options. I presume you mean back testing, but how do I implement these options in a back test?

I thought you said you weren't a coder. Sure looks like someone wrote some code to me. :cool:

Edward

^eagle^
01-09-2009, 01:12 PM
What are you basing that decision on? The daily chart doesn't really indicate anything except well, daily. It sounds like you're making shorter term decisions based on something else.


I'm glad to help, but I don't see easily what is involved in testing these options. I presume you mean back testing, but how do I implement these options in a back test?

I thought you said you weren't a coder. Sure looks like someone wrote some code to me. :cool:

Edward

I'm just good at figuring things out and how they work.

I just found some open source codes and plugged in my own thoughts to get it to work. Most code is gibberish to me.

I only forward test. Backtesting is flawed. Backtesting can give you a general idea if something will work.

What I have done is set up a demo account with all four options on differnet charts with different lotsizes and magic numbers to differentiate them. Going to let it ride only changing the MA as stated above.

'm still going to use my intuitive magic on my live account. I don't trust the new settings yet.

21 has been good to me. I changed it back and it opened and closed three trades in under an hour just now My intuition tells me to change it to 50 if and only iff there is a sharp downtrend after a spike up.

Sounds weird but after studying numbers for so many years I just get these feelings that feel right and they usually are. This is based on what I obseved here since studying FAP.

madpoet
01-10-2009, 03:19 PM
Hey Eagle, so that I'm clear you are recommending short only right now? Looks like the top 2 lines of your settings are things that you are varying and the rest is just standard settings. Doing some forward testing and wanted to be sure I understood.

Thanks,
Paul

^eagle^
01-10-2009, 04:43 PM
Hey Eagle, so that I'm clear you are recommending short only right now? Looks like the top 2 lines of your settings are things that you are varying and the rest is just standard settings. Doing some forward testing and wanted to be sure I understood.

Thanks,
Paul

yes short only. I have 21 on my live account still right now.
Demoing the Moving average settings.

I may replace the FAP daily template with a sleeker version soon too. Stay tuned

madpoet
01-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Cool, look forward to the results. I'm also going to use the SafeGuard EA to try and hedge against losses.

tonycashflow
01-11-2009, 11:09 AM
yes short only. I have 21 on my live account still right now.
Demoing the Moving average settings.

I may replace the FAP daily template with a sleeker version soon too. Stay tuned

Will you post new settings before or near 5pm EST when the market opens or your current settings of 21 and short only are still good ?

^eagle^
01-11-2009, 03:10 PM
The new MAs of 21, 50, 100, and 200 are still in beta testing. Only on DEMO.




On my live account I only change the following

Period MA 21 or 50
Long only, short only, and long and short.

If you look at the daily FAP template the slope lines will tell you what to change the direction to. Do not pay attention to the trend lines because they are still in beta testing.

If All Slopelines(the lines that change from read to blue) dots and AO Lines (the lines at the bottom of the chart) Are all red you go "all short".

If all the above are blue you go "all long".

If they are mixed you go "long and short".


I only use 50 Period MA if there is a sharp downtrend after a big rally up.

These are settings I have observed to work.

happyhills5
01-11-2009, 08:19 PM
eagle

Are the times gmt or what??
:confused:

frati
01-12-2009, 02:58 AM
Hi everyone, pardon this noob for interrupting. So ^eagle^ you r saying your settings remains like this :

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 0.2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 20.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

And you just change the ma according to the market....Sorry, this may sound stupid:
1)Which of the settings did you change, scalper_lots or Fapturbo_lots, same goes for LRR, and the others. Basically, is it the scalper or the fapturbo that you modify?
2)Did you turn the scalper_UseFilterMA to true and PeriodMA = 21 you mean Scalper_periodFilterMA = 21 right?

I know this is too much...sorry in advance:o...O and i know this is not a good time but it would b rude if i don't...I'm frati and i'm a noob. I have 500$ acc with fxpro with a leverage of 1:100. Haven't start with anything yet just messing with demo:D....i've heard this is the best place to start for retards noob like me so again sorry for any annoyance and i thank you all in advance for your precious time:o May god bless you all:)

stuve
01-12-2009, 05:14 AM
The new MAs of 21, 50, 100, and 200 are still in beta testing. Only on DEMO.




On my live account I only change the following

Period MA 21 or 50
Long only, short only, and long and short.

If you look at the daily FAP template the slope lines will tell you what to change the direction to. Do not pay attention to the trend lines because they are still in beta testing.

If All Slopelines(the lines that change from read to blue) dots and AO Lines (the lines at the bottom of the chart) Are all red you go "all short".

If all the above are blue you go "all long".

If they are mixed you go "long and short".


I only use 50 Period MA if there is a sharp downtrend after a big rally up.

These are settings I have observed to work.

Hi Eagle.
Can you please give us a screenshot and mark what we should look after to change short/long/both

Thank you!

^eagle^
01-12-2009, 06:03 AM
Hi everyone, pardon this noob for interrupting. So ^eagle^ you r saying your settings remains like this :

Lots = 0.0
LotsRiskReductor = 0.2
MaxOrders = 5
MaxLots = 1
StopTime 20
aaa 20
bbb 8
TakeProfit = 20.0
StopLoss = 0.0
TrailingStop = 0.0
UseMAControl = 1
PeriodMA = 21
PeriodMA_0_6 = 0
TypeMA_0_3 = 0
SpanGator = 0.5
SlipPage = 3
SafetyGapDemarker = 0.2
SafetyGapWPR = 0

And you just change the ma according to the market....Sorry, this may sound stupid:
1)Which of the settings did you change, scalper_lots or Fapturbo_lots, same goes for LRR, and the others. Basically, is it the scalper or the fapturbo that you modify?
2)Did you turn the scalper_UseFilterMA to true and PeriodMA = 21 you mean Scalper_periodFilterMA = 21 right?

I know this is too much...sorry in advance:o...O and i know this is not a good time but it would b rude if i don't...I'm frati and i'm a noob. I have 500$ acc with fxpro with a leverage of 1:100. Haven't start with anything yet just messing with demo:D....i've heard this is the best place to start for retards noob like me so again sorry for any annoyance and i thank you all in advance for your precious time:o May god bless you all:)


You purchased FAP turbo. These setting s are for The original Forex Auto Pilot (FAP). Its a different EA.

You could try to use these settings on the FAPturbo part of the FAPturbo EA but I do not reccomend them for FAPturbo.

^eagle^
01-12-2009, 06:09 AM
Hi Eagle.
Can you please give us a screenshot and mark what we should look after to change short/long/both

Thank you!
Working on a new sleeker template for FAPdaily. Should have template and screen shot up by thsi after noon. May switch it to hourly because that is what I originally was looking at for forecasting. That means it will change more often. It may be adaptable for you guys that cant get to your computer every hour and afixed to the 4h or the daily.

Have to wait and see./

madpoet
01-12-2009, 06:13 AM
Hey Eagle, did you get stuck in 3 Sells like I did? I'm looking at some ugly open trades this morning ;)

stuve
01-12-2009, 06:19 AM
Hey Eagle, did you get stuck in 3 Sells like I did? I'm looking at some ugly open trades this morning ;)

I am stuck in them aswell =)

madpoet
01-12-2009, 06:34 AM
I realized I made an ugly error... I was trying out the hedging EA and forgot to adjust it for a 5 digit broker! It was opening hedging positions and getting them stopped out left and right. Oof it was a bad night for me. Thankfully this was just on my small test account.

maxfactor
01-12-2009, 06:35 AM
Hey Eagle, did you get stuck in 3 Sells like I did? I'm looking at some ugly open trades this morning ;)

LOL did you have ma 50 on because my demo still have them.

My live account which had ma 21

just got 3 buys
28748730 2009.01.12 13:49 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3416 0.0000 1.3426 2009.01.12 13:53 1.3426 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
28749340 2009.01.12 14:02 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3420 0.0000 1.3430 2009.01.12 14:10 1.3430 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
28750144 2009.01.12 14:17 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3429 0.0000 1.3439 2009.01.12 14:28 1.3439 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00 :D

Eagle couldnt guppy be used as a indicator along with fap?

madpoet
01-12-2009, 06:37 AM
No, MA21 but I am sell only right now

stuve
01-12-2009, 06:47 AM
Well. i had a nice night before I got stuck in this 3 trades..
ma21 only short:
2986840 2009.01.12 00:16 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.34670 1.36700 1.34570 2009.01.12 01:00 1.34570 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2987431 2009.01.12 01:15 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.34250 1.36285 1.34169 2009.01.12 01:17 1.34169 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.10
2987922 2009.01.12 02:06 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.34180 1.36192 1.34080 2009.01.12 02:15 1.34080 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2988150 2009.01.12 02:27 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.34025 1.36042 1.33925 2009.01.12 02:28 1.33925 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2988174 2009.01.12 02:28 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.33865 1.35900 1.33788 2009.01.12 06:22 1.33788 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.70
2993565 2009.01.12 09:42 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.33913 1.35921 1.33813 2009.01.12 10:08 1.33813 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2990637 2009.01.12 06:31 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.33794 1.35806 1.33694 2009.01.12 10:09 1.33694 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2994884 2009.01.12 10:15 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.33688 1.35696 1.33588 2009.01.12 10:17 1.33588 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
2995466 2009.01.12 10:25 sell 0.10 eurusd 1.33526 1.35540 1.33426 2009.01.12 10:27 1.33426 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00

happyhills5
01-12-2009, 06:51 AM
euro bounced off heavy resistance for both day and week at 3311:mad:

jz4r84
01-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Hi Guys,

I've been a "lurker" on this board for a while and I'm a FAPS and FAP Turbo user. Firstly, I'd like to say thanks to Eagle for the effort put into this new template. This is a significant step forward in making FAPS trading safer.

Eagle's template today suggests all short trades so that's what I'm doing, although I'm set at 100MA as the price crossed that line yesterday night GMT.

I'm forward testing this strategy on my live account (although on micro lots at the moment) and since I fired it up yesterday, I've seen 18 sell trades, all achieving 11 pips TP! Good Job. I now have however, 3 hanging trades, which are 100 pips, 50 pips and 50 pips down respectively, as the price hit hard support earlier and bounced back up. However, if the template is right, the price should drop again, bringing these trades back into profit, although, I may have to wait a bit longer. (until tomorrow).

The reason I post this, is I think this is the right way to go. The dots on Eagle's template represent the market sentiment. Right now, on the daily chart, the price is under this sentiment line and should therefore, continue to drop over the next couple of days. If however, it crosses over (ie, hits the dots), the sentiment has changed and won't come back for a while and so probably good to cancel any hanging trades, as Eagle's instructions suggests.

Also, it may be good to check the "direction" of the dots. Right now, the line is steep downhill (a good down trend). If tomorrow, they start to level out, (or turn blue) on the template, that may be the intial indicator that the trend is weakening and is therefore an early signal to cancel hanging sell trades. I would then want to wait until a clear trend appears again before continuing to trade with FAPS robot.

I'll continue to forward test on my live account and let you know the results. Apart from the variable MA, my setting are the same as Eagles standard settings.

^eagle^
01-12-2009, 02:06 PM
Updated template for FAP daily.

Can be used for the daily or the 4 hour chart if you are going to watch it.

MA lines have been removed. I do not have enough computer power to test them.

I am 50 when in a sharp downtrend.

21 for everythign else.

Choose what you wish.

I'm learning a new scalping system so I wont be posting my setting changes. I pretty much follow the template so you guys do not need my signals.

I do not have time to post my setting changes anymore. please use the template. I will be happy to answer questions as I get the time.


I am outgrowing forex auto pilot and need a new challenge.

stuve
01-12-2009, 02:45 PM
hehe what was that first thing you attached =) the one with Psar direction:: Short

=)

stuve
01-12-2009, 02:52 PM
THanks for everything eagle =))
Can you please make a screenshot and try to explain a last time.. thanks!

maxfactor
01-12-2009, 03:05 PM
I am outgrowing forex auto pilot and need a new challenge.

I am thinking of dumping faps myself. I like the fact that I should be able to capture pips in any trading condition.:)

stuve
01-12-2009, 03:19 PM
I am thinking of dumping faps myself. I like the fact that I should be able to capture pips in any trading condition.:)

hmm..but this little thing made me $240 today on my $1000 account =)) it to good to trow away..hehe

^eagle^
01-12-2009, 04:33 PM
THanks for everything eagle =))
Can you please make a screenshot and try to explain a last time.. thanks!


Heres a screen shot.

You have to use a little common sense too.

Judge the slope line ot see if it may turn back even if they are all the wrong color. the sharper the slope the less chance you have it returning. This is just a picture representation of probabilities. Its not fool proof. but It can give you a better idea of whats going on.

We wont see those highs on the left side for sometime. right now even with that long drop we had friday we are still in a consolidation period. It puts things in perspective when you back away from the m1 chart.

All blue =go all long
all red =go all short
Dot changes =kill trades heading toward the new dot. (use your judgement based on the slope lines.)
Mixed colors of any lines and dots= go Long and short

Use this on the four hour chart for even better perception on long and short.

But use judgement even more so on dot change.

Follow the money!

edwardBe
01-13-2009, 10:06 AM
It puts things in perspective when you back away from the m1 chart.
Use this on the four hour chart for even better perception on long and short.


I don't quite understand how an indicator running on a daily or even a four hour chart is going to give us advice on how to set up an expert that is running on the M1 chart. FAP trades typically last less than 30 minutes.

Follow the money!

I would if I knew where it was going!

^eagle^
01-13-2009, 05:02 PM
I don't quite understand how an indicator running on a daily or even a four hour chart is going to give us advice on how to set up an expert that is running on the M1 chart. FAP trades typically last less than 30 minutes.



I would if I knew where it was going!



By following the daily or four hour trend you decrease your risk of the losing or hanging trade.

The period MA filter is attached to the daily chart. Its following the daily even though The EA is attached to the m1. ITs in the code.
The trend is your friend.
You wont leave that rogue trade that goes against the trend in the dust whe the trend accelerates.




The biggest problem with FAP is its buying at resistance levels and selling at support. This will eliminate most of that.

if it does leave a hanging trade you can easily kill it if the trend reverses. You know WHEN to kill it. You don't need to stop loss or fret over when. the Daily FAP will tell you when to kill it.


You don't need know where its going if you know where its at.:D

stuve
01-14-2009, 04:09 AM
Just to make sure I got it. At this point, its short & long, right?

sitestuff
01-14-2009, 05:04 AM
Heres a screen shot.

You have to use a little common sense too.

Judge the slope line ot see if it may turn back even if they are all the wrong color. the sharper the slope the less chance you have it returning. This is just a picture representation of probabilities. Its not fool proof. but It can give you a better idea of whats going on.

We wont see those highs on the left side for sometime. right now even with that long drop we had friday we are still in a consolidation period. It puts things in perspective when you back away from the m1 chart.

All blue =go all long
all red =go all short
Dot changes =kill trades heading toward the new dot. (use your judgement based on the slope lines.)
Mixed colors of any lines and dots= go Long and short

Use this on the four hour chart for even better perception on long and short.

But use judgement even more so on dot change.

Follow the money!

Ho do you get the blue and red MA lines on the chart? I've attched the template, but I'm only getting the AO at the bottom of the screen. And the blue and red dots I also don't get on the chart.

Please help!

^eagle^
01-14-2009, 03:12 PM
Just to make sure I got it. At this point, its short & long, right?

Yes that is correct for the four hour chart but the daily chart is still all short. I find the daily chart to be less risky and easier to manage.

Did you remove the other two slope lines? There should be three. I put three in for a reason. Its important to set a slope line at open close and median. So That large swings in price can be detected.

^eagle^
01-14-2009, 03:22 PM
Ho do you get the blue and red MA lines on the chart? I've attched the template, but I'm only getting the AO at the bottom of the screen. And the blue and red dots I also don't get on the chart.

Please help!

Everything you need is in post #177. Follow the directions EXACTLY.

stuve
01-14-2009, 03:26 PM
Yes that is correct for the four hour chart but the daily chart is still all short. I find the daily chart to be less risky and easier to manage.

Did you remove the other two slope lines? There should be three. I put three in for a reason. Its important to set a slope line at open close and median. So That large swings in price can be detected.

Hi.
With your latest update of the file, the slopeline wasnt there for me, dont know why.. If I add a lower version of your file, I got all 3 of them.

I will try to remove and add them again.

^eagle^
01-15-2009, 04:14 AM
I Shut down FAP until 9:30 EST because I am working and cannot monitor it for ECB conference.

Still looks like a short but market has been flat for the past few days. Indecision.......


If rates is cut more than expectations (rate less than 2.00% then expect the eur/usd to go up.

Still more probable that it will go down.

^eagle^
01-15-2009, 04:17 AM
Hi.
With your latest update of the file, the slopeline wasnt there for me, dont know why.. If I add a lower version of your file, I got all 3 of them.

I will try to remove and add them again.

Ill checxk that this afternoon. I'm a numbers guy. Not a computer guru so bear with me.

jefe
01-15-2009, 03:56 PM
OK...

I'm seeing red for a downward trend crossing the green line indicating a downward trend MA of 50

SO...
My new MA should be 50 (or less) short only
Kill ALL trades above all red dots ( I have none) -- these would obviously be buys from two days ago at this point...

BUT because my forex calander only has USD news for friday on it... I'm going to opt for both long and short, any sign of good from the US (LOL too early yet) but any retracement in the am (like a lower than forecast unemployment number HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

I stop trading around 11am EST time anyway

Conclusion:

21MA
Long and short
everything else as it was....

Thoughts? Am I that clueless or too many .beer files???

stuve
01-16-2009, 05:10 AM
Everything you need is in post #177. Follow the directions EXACTLY.

I have tried to reinstall them.. but I miss the 3 sloplines..

Do I need to do anything manually to add them?

If i install your new FAPdaily, I dont have any line at all when I load the template.
if I go to indicators - custom - Slop line direction alert, atleast I get 1 line =)

What am i doing wrong?

stuve
01-16-2009, 05:58 AM
Yes that is correct for the four hour chart but the daily chart is still all short. I find the daily chart to be less risky and easier to manage.

Did you remove the other two slope lines? There should be three. I put three in for a reason. Its important to set a slope line at open close and median. So That large swings in price can be detected.


Oki! I will use Daily.. thanks.

^eagle^
01-17-2009, 04:31 AM
I am now using signals off the four hour chart. I did not consider the possibility of a large draw down on the daily chart due to small ralleys. I believe the four hour chart will provide better long and short signals however the kill trade signals may be premature. I may adjust the dots so that they do not change so rapidly causing trades to be killed prematurely.

I wioll still use the daily for forecastign but siganls will now be from 4 hour chart to avoid large drawdowns.

Earl
01-17-2009, 11:31 AM
it's good to use the daily and trade with the trend....but the last 2 days could bite you in the butt...

jefe
01-17-2009, 12:50 PM
it's good to use the daily and trade with the trend....but the last 2 days could bite you in the butt...

Ain't that the truth...lol... Over the past week I've hit my SL of 180 -multiple times, only to review/watch as in one more day that trade would have hit TP... 180 is too low...

stuve
01-19-2009, 03:33 AM
I have tried to reinstall them.. but I miss the 3 sloplines..

Do I need to do anything manually to add them?

If i install your new FAPdaily, I dont have any line at all when I load the template.
if I go to indicators - custom - Slop line direction alert, atleast I get 1 line =)

What am i doing wrong?

Anyone know why?
thanks!

^eagle^
01-19-2009, 03:48 AM
it's good to use the daily and trade with the trend....but the last 2 days could bite you in the butt...

Yeah I found this out the hard way. I am sitting on a large drawdown now. I shut it down and now wait for the market to come back. If Ireland continues its threats to exit the euro I should see a turnaround this week.

I dont foresee Indiana seceding from the US anytime soon.:D

^eagle^
01-19-2009, 03:56 AM
Anyone know why?
thanks!

I have two slope alert indies. You may have the wrong one. Ill dig up the other one and you can place it in your indicator file.

BTW switch to four hour for daily FAP. The signals are better.

^eagle^
01-19-2009, 04:06 AM
I have two slope alert indies. You may have the wrong one. Ill dig up the other one and you can place it in your indicator file.

BTW switch to four hour for daily FAP. The signals are better.
try these. But do not erase your old one. One of them should overwrite the old one.

stuve
01-19-2009, 07:56 AM
try these. But do not erase your old one. One of them should overwrite the old one.

YES! thanks, that did the trick! its working.. :)

yes, Iam on H4 now aswell..

^eagle^
01-19-2009, 08:52 AM
YES! thanks, that did the trick! its working.. :)

yes, Iam on H4 now aswell..


Were You in drawdown also yesterday?

I am almost out and ready to fire up again.

stuve
01-19-2009, 09:19 AM
Were You in drawdown also yesterday?

I am almost out and ready to fire up again.

Yes, I was.. but they all went to profit today =))

Im pretty lucky, since I got s/l at 200, and they went to about 180 before they changed direction.. So far this year I havent hit s/l of 200.. =)

stuve
01-22-2009, 03:32 AM
Hi.
when I use MA21 Only Long, its not much action..5 trades/day maybe...

Im still not really sure about the MA settings, when to change them..

My results are great so far this year. Im up from $900 - $2000 !