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Old 01-18-2009, 11:47 PM
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I opened my first live account in November and my results were Negative 99.98% LOSS. I opened a second live account in December and my results were Negative 99.99% LOSS.

So far...laugh...it's (FAP and fap turbo) great at making money and even better at losing it. The only guaranteed way to make money with this EA or any EA is to Market the crap out of it on the internet and make profits from other people buying it from you. Guaranteed easy money!

Yeah.. it's because you did not apply proper money mangement. That's why your account exploded..
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:41 AM
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I must agree with the last post. I am using FAPS for a few months now and I have used fapturbo also.

As for fapturbo: since I am at IBFX for my live-account I stopped using it because FAPTURBO and IBFX is a deadly combination for now. The responsibilitie however lies by IBFX because of their spreads.

So, this leaves me the use of FAPS. This EA I am using according to the guidelines given through FAPWINNER by Charles using proper moneymanagement.

In the long term it IS profitable and if used your MM properly, you should have had profits from this EA. I do agree however that you must monitor from time to time and MOST and for all, using en EA or not, you MUST be willing to learn to read charts patterns and FOREX in general. Only then you can and probably WILL be succesfull.

Let it be clear that one does need education and mentorship to survive in the FOREX market.

I have had bad days when I started. However, I understood that it would take me the effort to learn. I wanted to understand WHY I had loosing trades and how I could somehow see in advance weither it would be wise to let the EA trade or not.

As an addition to this, I really want to thank EARL for providing a wonderfull template which is very easy to read and had made me to be in a nice profit since I use the combination of this template and the use of FAPS.

As for making money selling EA's. Easy money? Maybe yes, because the seller does not really need to trade. However, how could he sustain to sell if he would not use his own product to show us it is profitable. So here I think no easy money can be made in the long term.
Also do not forget the kind of support and mainainance they have to provide to keep their business alive. No, I do not think after all, that selling EA's is equal to easy money.

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As an addition to this, I really want to thank EARL for providing a wonderfull template which is very easy to read and had made me to be in a nice profit since I use the combination of this template and the use of FAPS.



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Earl Has a template?

Interesting......

Would it be this template?

http://forexautopilotforum.com/showt...4034#post14034

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Old 01-19-2009, 03:34 PM
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Can't say that I've tried it live.. but so far it is the first thing that seems to be profitable when I run it in demo mode. I know that this is obviously different from live... but I have a good feeling about this EA. I think it will make me and many others a lot of money... as it supposedly already has. Time will tell.
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:09 PM
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Yeah.. it's because you did not apply proper money mangement. That's why your account exploded..

I understand what you're saying however...How can you say money management applies to an EA (FAP) that has NO stop loss set? No matter what % LRR you use, could you survive a 1000 pip loss? I cut my trades loose long before the full 1000 pip move on the EUR/USD but did others?

Money management = Set Entry Point + Set Exit Points (while managing lot size)
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:41 PM
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If some day, anyone could create an expert that can make someone a millionaire, he will never put it on sale. No expert will ever be a substitute of a good trader mind.
Since I bought it like 2 months ago and with very little risk it is at brake even ( a very small account just to have some fun), if I used the parameters recommended someday the account will blown, sooner or later but It will happen a 3,4 consecutive losses in 2,3 pairs, and good bye account.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:52 PM
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This EA is good most of the time, but there are a few bad days like today. The developers would probably say that all EA's, even the very best ones will have losing days. This is very true, however, the problem with this EA is that it only takes one bad night to wipe out all profits for whole month and then some if two or 3 trades hit stop loss or have big loss.
I don't think this EA (at least the short term strategy) will have a long life. Maybe it will live for a few more months. Then FAPTeam would be lucky as it would be impossible to get a refund for ClickBank anymore and they would have made a lot of money.... Just my thoughts.....
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As a long time “Lurker” on this and many other Forums related to FAPT I realise that there are many others who are and were in the same situation as myself in that they are trying to ascertain the real effectiveness of FAPT Scalper. So with that in mind I will give my actual experience to date and my take on them.
I started trialing FAPT Scalper in early December on a MetaQuotes Demo account. The Scalper did exactly what the advert blurb said, in 2 weeks the $10,000 Demo account was up $6000. I then started 3 more Demo accounts, while the return on these Demo accounts was not as good as the initial demo the Scalper still returned good profits. I then started a VPS with 3 Live accounts (FXCM UK, Alpari UK, FxPro Cyprus) funded at US$5,000 each account. These accounts went “Live” on 5th Jan 2009. All of these accounts are now losers! FXCM UK is down, balance $4821 Alpari is down, balance $4512, FxPro is down, balance Euro 3431(initial Eur3600) However the Demo accounts continue to make profits. All these accounts are running the exact same scalper settings. There is no difference in the settings, there is a difference in the Demo account balances. So beware you cannot based or take any inference from Demo Account results
Why is this so? It is obvious that the Scalper relies on making numerous small profitable trades to allow it to profit over the large losses that it sometimes incurs. As soon as you apply the Scalper to a Live Account you are now dealing with the Brokers “Spread” , the Dealing Desk, and all other Dealer created impediments like “Off Quotes” “Trade Timeout” or “Old Tick” All of these impediments will reduce your profits considerably. I have watched the Demo Accounts and the Live accounts trade side by side. These “Broker impediments” cause the Scalper Live Account to miss exits and entries, it results in the Live account failing to get in or out of trades and results in the Live Account being locked in or out and causes losses. Whereas the Demo account generally deftly avoids these losses.
From the above it inevitably leads to the great ECN debate which rages back and forth across many Forums
I needs to be clearly recognised that the Broker spreads that you see on a non ECN Broker (eg Alpari, FXCM, FxPro etc etc) are created by that Broker to get you to trade. ie you are not going to trade on a 20 pip spread. They are not true “Market Spreads” from the Live Market. This is why the Brokers are so pissed of with FAPT Scalper. By using it you are trading directly against them and initially it was profitable until the Brokers figured out what was going on. These guys (Brokers)will not let you make money off them. The true Market ECN Spreads that are available during the Scalpers “Trading Window” are generally far too wide to allow the Scalper to trade much less be profitable. How can I make that statement with such certainty? I have a HotSpot FX ECN account. I watch the spreads the Scalper is trading on my MT4 accounts against the spreads presented by the Hot Spot FX feed. Based on those comparisons it would appear extremely unlikely that even if it was possible to use MT4 on a true ECN it probably would not make money.
As a final comment I had previously never used a MT4 platform to trade live, only the Hot Spot FX platform, however I tried using MT4 to double trade the Scalper where it had obviously missed or miss timed trades. Frankly I was amazed at the requotes, slippage, and Stops hit with out the price hitting the Stop price. The MT4 Platform is a “Trojan Horse” it allows the Broker to get at you and your account. Why else do they give it to you for free? It is really a great pity that so many people have put so much time and effort into EA’s and Indicators to run on MT4 when it is such a “Crock”. All the effort on EA’s has only helped gain wider useage of MT4 and thus give the Brokers a better shot at more peoples accounts
I hope the above helps some people and gives food for thought for others

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Old 01-20-2009, 03:07 AM
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I understand what you're saying however...How can you say money management applies to an EA (FAP) that has NO stop loss set? No matter what % LRR you use, could you survive a 1000 pip loss? I cut my trades loose long before the full 1000 pip move on the EUR/USD but did others?

Money management = Set Entry Point + Set Exit Points (while managing lot size)
LOL, if you can't even find your way to the correct forum you probably have no chance in forex :-)
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:12 AM
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LOL, if you can't even find your way to the correct forum you probably have no chance in forex :-)
You're right I have NO chance what so ever... http://nelstradamus.mt4stats.com (my 100% manually traded account) As long as I don't use any EA's I'll be just fine.
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